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Re: Project Shield

#11

Seems like its just a straight up competitor to Cloudflare. There doesn't' appear to be any direct revenue gain from this, maybe this is more of a mafia protection kinda thing (as in protecting its interests, the websites hosting its ads). Does anyone know what it takes to mitigate DDoS, at this kind of scale?

Did you seriously just accuse Google of "a mafia protection kinda thing"? Seriously?

Re: Project Shield

#12
On an unrelated note, I had never seen the withgoogle.com domain before and I did some searching and found all these other projects, initiatives, landing pages, and even online courses:

- Chromebook mobile site: http://us.chromebook.withgoogle.com

- Developer Bus: http://developerbus.withgoogle.com

- Full Value of Mobile: http://www.fvm.withgoogle.com

- Google Analytics Academy: https://analyticsacademy.withgoogle.com

- Google Expert: http://expertbrasil.withgoogle.com

- Google Wallet Instant Request Form: http://getinstantbuy.withgoogle.com

- Mapping: https://mapping.withgoogle.com

- Online Marketing 101: https://onlinemkt101.withgoogle.com/preview

- Royal Baby Congrats Card: https://royalbabycard.withgoogle.com

- Tour Builder: https://tourbuilder.withgoogle.com

- Web Accessibility: https://webaccessibility.withgoogle.com

- YouTube Creator Academy: https://creatoracademy.withgoogle.com

- Your Tour (Tour de France): http://yourtour.withgoogle.com

Non-English:

- http://vpered.withgoogle.com

- http://docchinogame.withgoogle.com/pc/

- http://minchizu.withgoogle.com

- http://ennovate.withgoogle.com

- http://brasilfreewifi.withgoogle.com

Re: Project Shield

#13
post #2

Serious question: what happens if say Wikileaks or Snowden or the next important whistleblower uses this service, and then the head of DHS, FBI, DOJ, etc (not a Court) "gives a call" to Google? Will Google "protect their free expression", or comply with the order within hours, like Amazon did [1]? Google may have great lawyers and a lot of money, but what if they tell them "hey, you know that tax-free money you're se…

Google has been pretty explicit about the circumstances in which it will hand user data over to governments or law enforcement. Even if it is required to be done in secret (e.g. a NSL or FISA request), it still requires a valid court order or other legal process. http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests If you think any U.S.-based company is able to do better, I'd love to hear how.

They could get attempt to fight the court orders in a court more open than the FISC? I'm not sure how this could practically be accomplished, but it would be a good first step towards protecting the rights of users, instead of blindly complying with court orders that Google would hopefully have some moral problems with. I always find it so fascinating that tech giants will lobby for increased access to their services worldwide, but not more secure services here at home.

Re: Project Shield

#14

NVidia already has something named Project Shield -- although it has nothing to do with this. Wonder if this is confusing enough for a trademark case.

Project Shield was the code name, NVidia Shield is the real name.

Re: Project Shield

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has been pretty explicit about the circumstances in which it will hand user data over to governments or law enforcement. Even if it is required to be done in secret (e.g. a NSL or FISA request), it still requires a valid court order or other legal process. http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests If you think any U.S.-based company is able to do better, I'd love to hear how.

They could get attempt to fight the court orders in a court more open than the FISC? I'm not sure how this could practically be accomplished, but it would be a good first step towards protecting the rights of users, instead of blindly complying with court orders that Google would hopefully have some moral problems with. I always find it so fascinating that tech giants will lobby for increased access to their services…

No they can't. They can fight the court order in FISC, but once the FISC process resolves, they will be required by law to honor the terms of the court order; they could then fight in other courts --- as I understand them to be doing to some extent --- but that would be a post-facto effort.

Re: Project Shield

#16

Hopefully this project will come with increased openness about Googles complicity in the PRISM scandal. It would be rather ironic if this ends up protecting free speech everywhere except in America.

It is quite ironic how the country that class itself the land of the free, and home of democracy, etc. exudes no fight for freedom within its own borders. Kinda ruins the whole freedom facade, when freedom is only given when it is inline with the government strategic plan.

Re: Project Shield

#18
Isn't it a clear that they set this up to track users to those kinds of sites and feed NSA with that information? Also, they get to control what information they want to let out. Call me paranoid, but I don't trust Google a bit here.

Re: Project Shield

#19

Seems like its just a straight up competitor to Cloudflare. There doesn't' appear to be any direct revenue gain from this, maybe this is more of a mafia protection kinda thing (as in protecting its interests, the websites hosting its ads). Does anyone know what it takes to mitigate DDoS, at this kind of scale?

Did you seriously just accuse Google of "a mafia protection kinda thing"? Seriously?

I'm assuming the OP was referring to a protection racket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

>A protection racket is an operation where criminals provide protection to persons and properties, settle disputes and enforce contracts in markets where the police and judicial system cannot be relied upon.

Of course, Google isn't threatening anyone with DDoS, (even assuming that they somehow make money of you).

Otherwise though, it's somewhat of an interesting analogy. This is a form of protection (of online property). And you can't really rely on the police to protect you from DDoS. I suppose it would be more reasonable to just compare it to a security firm though.

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