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Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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The only valuable insights are the ones that people have used in real life. There is almost no value in listening to the blatherings of someone who makes sweeping generalizations, speaks in vague terms, and doesn't back up their assertions with any kind of data. It's the worst kind of truthiness, and HN would be much better off avoiding this kind of opinion piece. "Personally I don’t know anything about Nick, but I d…

I added the article here because that is exactly how I felt after someone forwarded it to me. There was no value in the comments on VentureBeat (and the author was commenting at all there anyway) so I figured there would be some worthwhile discussions here on the topic and potential someone with data to backup Michael if they agreed with him.

Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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"After all, A/B testing, or its near cousin multi-variant testing, is a known animal these days. In practice here at Bislr, we find that about 70 percent of the things we want to test are ultimately not going to make a big difference to the business." I stopped reading after I read this. What an outrageous statement. If 70% of the things you want to test will not make a big difference, what about the other 30%? Test…

> ... what about the other 30%?

That assumes the other 30% are going to move the needle in anything remotely the same scope and scale as the 70% of things you can't test.

Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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I'm not sure if I'm reading an opinion piece or an objective piece?

- Burn out? Not having sales and traction is what decides if you go home after you "go hard". Your staff burns out when they realize your reality distortion field was just hallucination and trying to fake it until you make it vooza style. Realizing startups are more about developing sales and marketing skills to find a channel to a market is the master key. This has nothing to do with lean imho. If anything, lean makes you look in the mirror and gut check more often if you're not hiding behind a keyboard.

- No Architecture? Having an architecture discussion starts with "Have you had any relationship with a code base longer than 2-3 years?" The architectural reality is the first version will change, because it'll largely be wrong. How much you plan for this is something you learn when developing any software. It's important to be kind to your future self and using enough tooling and structure that's useful, but not enough that it slows you down.I've never skipped architecture with MVPs or lean. I use light frameworks that keep me organized. Sinatra is one example, every language has one. Most importantly, I don't build my perfect empire the first go around, as a burning effigy to my brilliance to distract myself from the fact that I might not be developing as an entrepreneur to learn the sales and marketing skills to find users, or a business model.

- Investors: The day you take money, is the day you pretty much guarantee to ultimately sell and have less and less say in your company. Someone else is telling you when you go home after you go hard if founders can't figure out to make a business model out of the startup. This has zero to do with lean, if anything being the master of your own destiny is being profitable so you can have a say on doing things your own way. Being able to have more of a say in your own destiny, lean, or no lean is more about the founders and the business, sales and marketing skills that may not exist, and whether they're doing anything to learn about it.

Disclaimer: I'm a software, project and product guy from a background in lean via implementing tech in manufacturing.

I got to spend almost 10 years learning from, implementing, and re-implementing lean in a factory perspective (adding software to the process) to really have a tiny glimpse of how lean made companies like Toyota what they are since the 60's. If we look at lean on it's own, and drop startup from it for a second, lean works.

Translating lean to the startup world will only make startups into more of a science where it's an art. Like science, it should evolve, it's not perfect, but less perfect is a lack of process. I don't think the author is advocating for this at all, but in knocking lean, I would have loved to hear the steps and processes he learnt that did work for him in his scenarios.

Applying lean to the startup world is special for startups, not for lean.

For me, lean is learning to look forward and take fewer wrong steps, and to learn quicker, but to always be learning. Not using lean is like looking back and saying out of the 100 things I did, I wish I knew to find the five or 10 I needed. Lean helps narrow it down a great deal to get you on your way, but by no means is it the instant, perfect formula.

Lean tells me to shut up. Every idea, thought, innovation, revolution I have, to shut up, and simply try it and test it to see if it's something people want, hopefully enough to pay to keep me on my path of learning.

Having a business model, users, customers and making money might not be what everyone's out to do, but if it is what you're out to do, lean is definitely one way to get there.

Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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"Lots and lots of companies built around a handful of features that matter to almost no one, least of all customers." The whole point of the lean startup philosophy is to find out how to make a product that customers DO care about and to do it as quickly as possible so you don't lose resources, time, and burnout. This whole article doesn't seem to address the core tenets of the lean startup at all. How does selling y…

A lean startup typically exits through acquisition. Some exit through IPO because they create new markets but that is rarer.

Or.. charges for a subscription and becomes a sustainable "lifestyle business". Which seems to be more typical of the "lean startup" approach.

Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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"Lots and lots of companies built around a handful of features that matter to almost no one, least of all customers." The whole point of the lean startup philosophy is to find out how to make a product that customers DO care about and to do it as quickly as possible so you don't lose resources, time, and burnout. This whole article doesn't seem to address the core tenets of the lean startup at all. How does selling y…

A lean startup typically exits through acquisition. Some exit through IPO because they create new markets but that is rarer.

IMO a startup in general typically exits through acquisition.

Do you have any data to back up your claim that lean startup is more likely to get acquired?

Re: Things wrong with the ‘Lean Startup’ model

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All I ever hear about is the "lean startup" model. Is there an alternative... like where I commit the next 3 years to build something awesome while I work a part-time job? (my model)

Can someone think of a cool name for that methodology? I don't want to be called "fat"...

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