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Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#11

Post by rektide »

I like the idea floated here- cypherpunks won, and that there are new futures to be seized.

Overall, the most cypherpunk thing I can suggest to people who want to move things forwards- ignore cypherpunk. Figure out how to get people orchestrating and controlling their own host of devices among them and their friends. Break down the walls between local devices, string up some lines, and get people experimenting with managing, sharing and pooling their local resources.

We need whetted appetites for human control of the wider systems. We need people who want to harness their many systems (as opposed to be harnessed to your applications, subject to it's designed fancy), we need people interested in repurposing/reconnecting things as their environment changes. We need whetted appetites for sovereign control over all of one's devices. Empower and more so interest people in seizing the device and put it in it's role among the person's world, and cryptography will be just a facet of that great manifest will we've reawoken.

If you want to be a cypherpunk, be a cypherpunk tomorrow. Today, be a ubiquitous computer systems liberator.

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#12

Post by kybernetyk »

Ok, I think I'm lost in UX nirvana. I only see the first slide (I assume it's a slide show?) and neither clicking it nor pressing space/left/right keys advances the slide show.

Anyone a hint how to use this page?

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#13

Post by amouat »

kybernetyk wrote: post #12

Ok, I think I'm lost in UX nirvana. I only see the first slide (I assume it's a slide show?) and neither clicking it nor pressing space/left/right keys advances the slide show. Anyone a hint how to use this page?

Seems you have to hit the spacebar or right arrow key. No idea how we were meant to guess that, or why it's a bad idea to also progress on clicking...

EDIT: following update by parent post - Spacebar and right arrow key definitely work for me (also down arrow key). Backspace, up and left arrow keys move back. I'm using Chrome on a mac.

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#14

Post by kybernetyk »

amouat wrote: post #13
kybernetyk wrote: post #12

Ok, I think I'm lost in UX nirvana. I only see the first slide (I assume it's a slide show?) and neither clicking it nor pressing space/left/right keys advances the slide show. Anyone a hint how to use this page?

Seems you have to hit the spacebar or right arrow key. No idea how we were meant to guess that, or why it's a bad idea to also progress on clicking... EDIT: following update by parent post - Spacebar and right arrow key definitely work for me (also down arrow key). Backspace, up and left arrow keys move back. I'm using Chrome on a mac.

Hmm, OK with Chrome it works.

I use firefox in vimperator mode on OS X. I guess vimperator borked the slide show for me :)

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#15

Post by hershel »

rektide wrote: post #11

I like the idea floated here- cypherpunks won, and that there are new futures to be seized. Overall, the most cypherpunk thing I can suggest to people who want to move things forwards- ignore cypherpunk. Figure out how to get people orchestrating and controlling their own host of devices among them and their friends. Break down the walls between local devices, string up some lines, and get people experimenting with m…

If we're talking about privacy, even fully securing a single device per person would be highly usefull and should not be dependent on what is the status of other devices.

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#16

Post by tomn »

kybernetyk wrote: post #14
amouat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems you have to hit the spacebar or right arrow key. No idea how we were meant to guess that, or why it's a bad idea to also progress on clicking... EDIT: following update by parent post - Spacebar and right arrow key definitely work for me (also down arrow key). Backspace, up and left arrow keys move back. I'm using Chrome on a mac.

Hmm, OK with Chrome it works. I use firefox in vimperator mode on OS X. I guess vimperator borked the slide show for me :)

To view this kind of thing in vimperator, press insert or shift-esc to ignore all keys.

It works quite nicely after that (Firefox on Linux).

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#18

Post by rektide »

hershel wrote: post #15
rektide wrote: post #11

I like the idea floated here- cypherpunks won, and that there are new futures to be seized. Overall, the most cypherpunk thing I can suggest to people who want to move things forwards- ignore cypherpunk. Figure out how to get people orchestrating and controlling their own host of devices among them and their friends. Break down the walls between local devices, string up some lines, and get people experimenting with m…

If we're talking about privacy, even fully securing a single device per person would be highly usefull and should not be dependent on what is the status of other devices.

Actually, no: we're not talking about privacy here. I was asserting how incredibly boring privacy is today, and how we should stop talking about it because it's boring (except to me and you and our small cadre of crypherpunk friends) and we're locked out of understanding it in practice:

If you don't own the software (no one does), don't have control over it's behavior (no one does) and cannot see it's data (no one can), grappling with and understanding control over the channels can only be done in the extreme abstract. Sovereign computing proposes reversing the former, and giving people direct systems control, sharing, and orchestration capabilities. Ubiquotous computing proposes taking these exposed raw capabilities, and making them broadly and generally machine-to-machine.

I hadn't mentioned that cypherpunks have been extremely in the spot light, c/o anonymous (w/ major recent busts), silk road (busted), and that guy no longer in America; all of which are keeping cypherpunkery in the spotlight of late. I hadn't mentioned privacy; PGP, TLS, OpenVPN, & the only new and shiny on the block onion routing. Because I don't think privacy will have the public consciousness. Because privacy today means turning over whatever rocks Facebooks decides to leave out for you to turn over, and that's not useful. If crypto wants focus, it needs to actively support a counter SaaSS world, it needs to focus on creating new capabilities directly usable by individuals for interacting with other individuals.

Re: Cypherpunks 2.0

#20

Post by bcoates »

kybernetyk wrote: post #12

Ok, I think I'm lost in UX nirvana. I only see the first slide (I assume it's a slide show?) and neither clicking it nor pressing space/left/right keys advances the slide show. Anyone a hint how to use this page?

click on the unmarked background to the right of the slide.
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