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Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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Yes I do. I use Kippt. They even have a google chrome extension.

That's exactly the direction we where going would you mind looking at our extension. You don't have to use it just maybe read and watch the demo vid. I would love to get your thoughts on it.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/latis/adkmonocjplf...

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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Yes, I do, in my browser bookmarks... but I never come back. I just hoard bookmarks and then sweep and prune whole folders from time to time. The amount of information I'm interested in is such that the time needed to understand it is >>>> my lifetime. Unfortunately a tool won't help.

That's a very interesting perspective are you mainly using bookmarks for very important content? Do you ever just want somewhere to put stuff temporarily as you're browsing?

Okay, here's my workflow:

When I'm interested in something (e.g. cryptography) I open a bunch of tabs with usual suspects (google for cryptography, crypto stack exchange, google for crypto books...) and crawl these for even more tabs. Once I get a broad base of subjects to learn from, I slowly read these tabs and perhaps open more from these.

More often than not, I run out of time, so I have to temporarily store these tabs. I use my browser bookmarks for this.

My real bookmarks (real as in "the way bookmarks are intended to be used") are just in the bookmarks toolbar instead of hidden in bookmark folders.

I don't store important stuff in bookmarks. Bookmarks are not important. Important stuff is left as an open tabs to be reviewed ASAP.

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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In recent years, I have preferred "read it later" services to traditional bookmarks. I delete items once I've read them (rather than building up an archive), and have went from Instapaper to Pocket to Apple's Reading List, each of which was an upgrade in UX. That leaves traditional bookmarks mainly for select "reference" resources like API documentation. For whatever reason, I have a strong dislike of "junk drawers",…

So do you think that's what's more important it's not that bookmarks are wrong it's that the UX is terrible ? Or is that reading stuff later is actually what you want to do most of the time with bookmarks ?

I think I'm just a neurotic "anti-hoarder" and it extends in to the digital realm. A lot of stuff gets deleted instead of archived in Gmail, too.

It's probably not worth taking much notice of this particular mindset.

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do you think that's what's more important it's not that bookmarks are wrong it's that the UX is terrible ? Or is that reading stuff later is actually what you want to do most of the time with bookmarks ?

I think I'm just a neurotic "anti-hoarder" and it extends in to the digital realm. A lot of stuff gets deleted instead of archived in Gmail, too. It's probably not worth taking much notice of this particular mindset.

I think the opposite you're exactly the person worth paying attention to :)

I think most people like the idea of being "free" from hoarding. because it clutters the mind. I guess the thing with bookmarks is that they need to disappear after either an action or a certain amount of time has passed since they where last used/created.

I'm also wondering how this works visually. I often find if things are just messy then I hate it and feel like I'm cluttered. But if something is kept clean and structured then I'm happy for it to stay as long as it gets out of my way when I don't need it.

I'm wondering if bookmarks are the same. If I don't need you disappear. But when I want to get it back then I want to find it in a clean and organised way.

The problem is I don't want to invest anytime in the process of managing the clutter. I want to manage itself.

What do you think ?

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very interesting perspective are you mainly using bookmarks for very important content? Do you ever just want somewhere to put stuff temporarily as you're browsing?

Okay, here's my workflow: When I'm interested in something (e.g. cryptography) I open a bunch of tabs with usual suspects (google for cryptography, crypto stack exchange, google for crypto books...) and crawl these for even more tabs. Once I get a broad base of subjects to learn from, I slowly read these tabs and perhaps open more from these. More often than not, I run out of time, so I have to temporarily store thes…

That's interesting. It's very much what I assumed we use tabs to store the temporary stuff that we need right now or in the very short term. Bookmarks are not a solution engineered towards this very temporary way of working. However tabs are not the ideal solution either they are just a work around. I often find I want a convenient and temporary place to put this short lived content and it should disappear when I stop using it. What do you think ?

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'm just a neurotic "anti-hoarder" and it extends in to the digital realm. A lot of stuff gets deleted instead of archived in Gmail, too. It's probably not worth taking much notice of this particular mindset.

I think the opposite you're exactly the person worth paying attention to :) I think most people like the idea of being "free" from hoarding. because it clutters the mind. I guess the thing with bookmarks is that they need to disappear after either an action or a certain amount of time has passed since they where last used/created. I'm also wondering how this works visually. I often find if things are just messy then…

Yes, that sounds reasonable.

Another commenter mentions going on a bookmarking spree when investigating a specific topic. Helping classify and process the results of those sprees seems like it would be helpful.

IMO a lot of other uses of traditional bookmarks range from pointless (I can instead easily type/auto-complete my favourite domains) to better served by specialist apps (news aggregator sites + caching read it later apps being a great example).

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

#17
I have over 2000 bookmarks. Simply organized by folder on my chrome browser.

There are a few solid good bookmarking apps but they all for the most part lack the option to import bookmarks/ also don't really have clean usable UX. The ones I am talking about are mostly for making bookmarks a social thing like pinterest

some of them are part of my Freeware Index project

https://github.com/Doubtme/FreeWare_Index

The rest are for my website index which has 17 main categories and 40+ sub categories spread out. I haven't made the website index public yet but I intend to once I organize it. I will probably end up deleting a few hundred links once I get to it

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

#18
Here's one thing I hate about bookmarks. They aren't. Bookmarks. They don't keep your place in the middle of a long work. They only, and always, point to the beginning of a work, not inside it, unless the author has made internal anchors and exposes them.

I'd like bookmarks to be bookmarks.

I'd also like bookmarks to keep track of what they have pointed to. So a bookmark might show you that it has pointed to paragraphs 10, 22, 39, and the current 44. Cause it'd be nice to be able to go back to paragraph 22 as a reference.

And a bookmark should have notes. Firefox bookmarks have properties/notes accessible on right-click; I imagine clever people could expand that.

Heck, why not make them queryable by sql?

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

#19
I have finally found a workflow that works for me, and I'm slowly converting my thousands of unusable bookmarks (I'm a hoarder).

I use pinboard (delicio.us clone) and firefox.

pinboard lets you tag a bookmark, and you can subscribe to a tag's rss feed, or a combination of tags' feed. It's pretty clever.

firefox has a "live bookmark" feature, where a bookmark is really an rss reader of a specific feed. Peanut butter in my chocolate.

So for news sites, I tag them in pinboard as 'news'. For news sites that I want to read daily, they get an additional 'daily' tag. For news sites that I read frequently but not daily, they get the addtional 'often' tag. That's all in pinboard. I use a firefox extension to save pinboard bookmarks.

In firefox I have a bookmarks folder called news. Inside the news bookmark folder I have three live bookmarks, each pointing to one of my pinboard rss feeds:

  news #firefox folder
    news # firefox live bookmark pointing to pinboard 'news' rss feed
    news daily # pinboard feed for combo of 'news' and 'daily' tags
    news often # combo of 'news' and 'often' tags
In firefox I click on Bookmarks/news/news often, and I see the list of all pinboard bookmarks that have been tagged with both 'news' and 'often'.

And since it's pinboard I can access them from anywhere, any browser, no synchronization required.

Now I actually use my bookmarks.

Re: Ask HN: Do you bookmark or collect content?

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post #19

I have finally found a workflow that works for me, and I'm slowly converting my thousands of unusable bookmarks (I'm a hoarder). I use pinboard (delicio.us clone) and firefox. pinboard lets you tag a bookmark, and you can subscribe to a tag's rss feed, or a combination of tags' feed. It's pretty clever. firefox has a "live bookmark" feature, where a bookmark is really an rss reader of a specific feed. Peanut butter i…

More firefox and pinboard bookmark management.

The firefox pinboard extension (and probably other browsers' pinboard extensions if they exist) lets you "Save tab set". So if you want to save a huge set of open tabs (guilty) and change focus, do that and give the set a name.

You can then, later, come back to the tab set. You can open them all back into tabs, or edit the list, or open one tab at a time. I wish you could attach tabs to bookmarks in a tab list, but it's not too bad to have to open a single mark/tab and then tag it.

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