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Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by k-mcgrady »

anoother wrote: post #5

I find the justification presented for only Vettel having the technology a little strange. It's common to test new systems on one car before rolling them out across the team. If the technology works and is reliable, Webber will have it before the end of the season.

>> "It's common to test new systems on one car before rolling them out across the team."

Every weekend Red Bull claims the two cars are the same and Vettel is not given any advantage. Usually they test on one car in the practice sessions to gauge the advantage it gives over the current car but in quali/race the cars are usually (if we are to believe Red Bull) identical. I find the justification in the article regarding money unlikely though.

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Post by buster »

anoother wrote: post #5

I find the justification presented for only Vettel having the technology a little strange. It's common to test new systems on one car before rolling them out across the team. If the technology works and is reliable, Webber will have it before the end of the season.

It could very well be that just in this race the technology was not working on Webbers car (as would be no surprise with new techology). Just wondering because of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6532428

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by bliti »

brey wrote: post #7

In an environment where innovation has been strictly regulated against (better engine management software? NOPE. better foil design? NOPE), the fine art of sticking to the letter of the law but totally bending the spirit of it is naturally where the bleeding edge of F1 design is going to lie.

Every new technology introduced to racing allows teams to develop a secret advantage. Rules are adjusted over time to balance things out. But you can be sure that by then another new technology will have been introduced. The KERS system is already producing lots of results that are trickling down to consumers. I can imagine how using the torque and resistance of the electric motor as a means to increase grip is something that may be used in standard cars. Rather than using the braking system, this could be a smoother option.

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by TillE »

The smeary tone of this article is really quite obvious and unpleasant, and I don't think qualifying it as a "conspiracy theory" makes up for that.

For example the claim that "Christian Horner isn’t saying much", when in fact he's flatly denied any kind of rule breaking.

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by kyro »

I love that this is really a cutthroat battle of engineering. Behind every driver there's a team of really bright individuals who are brainstorming, modeling, designing, tweaking, and refitting, to figure out just how Red Bull's doing it.

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by ye »

TillE wrote: post #14

The smeary tone of this article is really quite obvious and unpleasant, and I don't think qualifying it as a "conspiracy theory" makes up for that. For example the claim that "Christian Horner isn’t saying much", when in fact he's flatly denied any kind of rule breaking.

When one guy leads by 30+ seconds, while everyone else fights for fractions of a second, either there's a major breakthrough or somebody is cheating.

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

buster wrote: post #12
anoother wrote: post #5

I find the justification presented for only Vettel having the technology a little strange. It's common to test new systems on one car before rolling them out across the team. If the technology works and is reliable, Webber will have it before the end of the season.

It could very well be that just in this race the technology was not working on Webbers car (as would be no surprise with new techology). Just wondering because of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6532428

Well Mark Webber did end up retiring from the race so something was not right with his car...

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by Oletros »

ye wrote: post #16
TillE wrote: post #14

The smeary tone of this article is really quite obvious and unpleasant, and I don't think qualifying it as a "conspiracy theory" makes up for that. For example the claim that "Christian Horner isn’t saying much", when in fact he's flatly denied any kind of rule breaking.

When one guy leads by 30+ seconds, while everyone else fights for fractions of a second, either there's a major breakthrough or somebody is cheating.

Or somebody like ROS had problems in his front wing and they didn't had the pace, and not counting that VET was on clean air.

No cheating involved

Re: Formula 1′s Leading Team Has a Big Secret

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Post by [deleted] »

buster wrote: post #12
anoother wrote: post #5

I find the justification presented for only Vettel having the technology a little strange. It's common to test new systems on one car before rolling them out across the team. If the technology works and is reliable, Webber will have it before the end of the season.

It could very well be that just in this race the technology was not working on Webbers car (as would be no surprise with new techology). Just wondering because of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6532428

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