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A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by mumbi »

zokier wrote: post #9
mumbi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's obvious that any psychoactive substance will change one's self. Hence the word psychoactive .

Of course they'll change one's self, that's the point. Also talk therapy (hopefully) changes one's self. More specifically changing from depressed to not depressed. But that completely different from your original statement of "make you into somebody you're not".

To change one's self artificially is to make one into something he or she is not. Yes, I did not mention artificial, but I assumed that was a given.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by mumbi »

ehmish wrote: post #10
mumbi wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and have no qualms with people's use of heroin, and have dabbled, myself. It was only presented as an example. To amplify, there is nothing morally wrong with anti-depressants either. However morality is not the issue of my concern, the deadening of true self is.

I'm not too concerned if my "true self" dies, growth means change, and change can mean death of a previous "self"

I think you misunderstand what I mean by true self. Yes, our self does change at every moment and is "reborn." However, it is still a true self as it is not artificially modified.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by vonmoltke »

mumbi wrote: post #2

After being on just about everything that can be prescribed, I can safely say that they all make you into somebody you're not. Yes, it might make some people happier. But, you know what? So does heroin. In the end, the only thing that can fix you is you.

Advice and warnings like this kept me from seeking pharmacological help for my anxiety issues for over ten years. I missed out on a whole lot during my 20s because of it, and therapy alone was never enough. Now that I have started a therapeutic dose of an SNRI, I feel like myself again, the self I was in high school and college before my anxiety spiral started. My anxiety made me somebody I was not, and anti-depressants brought me back.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by freshhawk »

How does someone use the word 'Quack' in their title and then focus entirely on anecdote and pointing out that fringe wackjobs like Scientologists are spewing nonsense (no shit). Using the rhetorical style of quacks against them?

Here's an idea, focus on the actual evidence. It seems it's because the evidence is murkier than the stance the author wanted to take, which makes for a garbage article and yet more nonsense spewed into a debate that affects a lot of people.

Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by thelettere »

Meh. Some people like it, some people don't. Works for some people, doesn't for others. To each his/her own.

But every drug has side effects and you're not actually changing anything permanently - the minute you're off the drug you're right back where you started. Psychotherapy actually changes the brain, and there are no negative side effects. That's why I prefer the later and not the former (for any issue).

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Re: A Confederacy of Quacks: The War Against Antidepressants

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Post by md224 »

mumbi wrote: post #12
ehmish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too concerned if my "true self" dies, growth means change, and change can mean death of a previous "self"

I think you misunderstand what I mean by true self. Yes, our self does change at every moment and is "reborn." However, it is still a true self as it is not artificially modified .

Is artificially modifying one's self ipso facto a bad thing? What's your basis for this claim?
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