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In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Let me be the classical Frenchy (i.e. never happy) here and point out that as long as the tax code, red tape and overall overwhelming paperwork entrepreneurs in France have to deal with won't be reduced or greatly simplified, having big incubators will be a nice touch but the road to growth will still be paved with unnecessary hurdles. The task at hand is HUGE, one that not so many developed countries have to deal wi…

Can you give examples of red tape/paperwork you'd like to see removed to help entrepreneurs in France?

Let me clarify something first: I am not an entrepreneur myself. I don't deal with said paperwork, the people I currently work for or have worked for in the past do. I've had the same feedback from a lot of them, in small and bigger companies.

Basically the complaints are always the same: it's not necessarily the amount of paperwork, it's the fact that when interfacing with the various agencies (regarding legal, financial, bank-related, employment or health issues) you usually have to provide the same documents OVER and OVER (and interfacing with people who are not always accountable to someone given the number of layers in the French administration, creating a system where some people have a job for life, don't understand that the "state" is all of us and don't give their all).

It sometimes feels that it never ends and doesn't make sense. Since the system in France is very centralized and since all the different agencies ALL depend from the state, this should be centralized to a given location and then dispatched to the agencies upon request.

The bigger problem anyway (if you call that a problem) is that your social contract in France is that of a mutual network of citizens taking care of each other through taxation. This is great when it comes to a lot of topics (health, education, social services), but it naturally has a cost when you're competing against the likes of the USA who have made a clear choice that the private sector tends to come first. I've yet to think of a good way to have my lunch and eat it but this more often than not puts our SME/SMI in a difficult spot.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Let me be the classical Frenchy (i.e. never happy) here and point out that as long as the tax code, red tape and overall overwhelming paperwork entrepreneurs in France have to deal with won't be reduced or greatly simplified, having big incubators will be a nice touch but the road to growth will still be paved with unnecessary hurdles. The task at hand is HUGE, one that not so many developed countries have to deal wi…

In this startup incubator there will be a counter with administrative people to help us with all this paperwork. So less pain with all this formalities, we will just have to pay more as we are in France.

By the way, one more time, thanks Xavier Niel, he's the only one in France who invests so much money on things like this and taking so many initiatives to make things change.

He gave us the cheapest contract for mobile phone in the world, he offered us the 42 school (free school for computer sciences with an innovative learning method), he offers us the most efficient dedicated servers for a decent price (http://www.online.net/fr/serveur-dedie/comparatif-serveur-de...), and so much more.

Thanks Xavier Niel.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Let me be the classical Frenchy (i.e. never happy) here and point out that as long as the tax code, red tape and overall overwhelming paperwork entrepreneurs in France have to deal with won't be reduced or greatly simplified, having big incubators will be a nice touch but the road to growth will still be paved with unnecessary hurdles. The task at hand is HUGE, one that not so many developed countries have to deal wi…

Can you give examples of red tape/paperwork you'd like to see removed to help entrepreneurs in France?

All of it...The issue in France is politicians that create harsh constraints for entrepreneurs then architect "usines à gaz" for there friends to pretend they are helping entrepreneurs.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Can you give examples of red tape/paperwork you'd like to see removed to help entrepreneurs in France?

I'm not from France but this doesn't look good: http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/france/ vs http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/unitedsta... .

Yes, i'm from France and I can tell you IT IS NOT GOOD, at all.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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While I applaud any efforts toward entrepreneurship, I can't help but think that these "megaproject" efforts kind of miss the point. By their very nature, startups tend to originate from grungy, grassroots hackerspaces, undergrad dorms, shared apartments, graduate common rooms, and so forth. Places where weird and innovative ideas get cross pollinated. I mean, yeah, "let a thousand flowers bloom", and all. But if Fra…

There are many things to fix in France to encourage start-ups, indeed. And containing bureaucracy will be harder than tax issues IMO.

However, what's very important in this endeavor this that it's 90% financed by Xavier Niel, a single private entrepreneur who's specialized in blowing up bureaucratic / oligopolistic businesses. He's pioneered minitel services (including sexual content, which got him some flak), then commoditized high-speed ADSL (we've had tens of Mbps for €30 for nearly a decade), more recently cellular phone (no contract, no subsidized phone, unlimited calls, 3GBytes of data for €20), has started messing with education (http://www.42.fr), and now incubation.

I'd have been _very_ skeptical of this without Niel's control over it. With him, I tend to be hopeful.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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So there is 30.000m² of space, but it seems that most of it can't be used for actual work. It'd have been more beneficial if they used the money to build a building and have subsided apartments for start-ups. I think at a starting stage, I'm more in need for work space than an auditorium or another restaurant.

But this doesn't solve the problem for France. I'm (geographically) quite close to France but will incorporate my next start-up in Hong Kong. No Visa, much easier paper work, and easier to get a bank account; and also cheaper.

Re: In 2016, Paris to be home to the biggest startup incubator in the world

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Interesting, but I'm always a bit skeptical about projects that seem so architecture-ey. I like architecture, but it usually can't create communities or industries. It's like when cities decide to build artist quarters. It works when there are already artists n the area.

The website & press release are all about the building. Who are these startups 1000 startups & why are they going to choose to be there over other places?

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