Live data from Hacker News

A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

lsvp.com

11–20 of 36 posts

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#11

Most of these inventory-financing deals for physical products seem like they would be much better dealt with via loans, unless the equity stake is really more of a quid-pro-quo for whatever connections the sharks have.

I've wondered about that. Take your PO to the bank, and they'll be more than accommodating in setting you up with a revolving line of credit. Why give up equity? Sometimes they do say "go away, you don't need me", but other times they snap the company up.

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#13
post #8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for sharing this. It really does seem like it is all about execution and not the idea in this particular case. The get one free to start is directly tied to conversions, minimal features versus added features tied to profitability. And above all the App has to be super dead simple to use. Given that the ideal monetization would be a 'refillable' credit card type deal where you work off your balance and 'refill…

Yeah, the majority of my app's revenue is from bulk-credit orders, so people drop $20-40 at a time to buy in bulk. Most of them don't use all their credits actually, and I'd guess this is probably in my favor in the long run vs. getting them to keep coming back since that is essentially all profit. (If credits expire.) Here's the thing though. If you assume that you need to give someone a free card, which I'm all but…

Assuming the marginal cost of printing an extra card is fairly small, have you considered sending a copy of the card to the sender?

Unless the recipient provides some sort of feedback the sender doesn't really get anything to show for it. This could also let the sender see the quality of product sent. You could limit it to just the first card sent to limit your cost increase.

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#15
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the majority of my app's revenue is from bulk-credit orders, so people drop $20-40 at a time to buy in bulk. Most of them don't use all their credits actually, and I'd guess this is probably in my favor in the long run vs. getting them to keep coming back since that is essentially all profit. (If credits expire.) Here's the thing though. If you assume that you need to give someone a free card, which I'm all but…

Assuming the marginal cost of printing an extra card is fairly small, have you considered sending a copy of the card to the sender? Unless the recipient provides some sort of feedback the sender doesn't really get anything to show for it. This could also let the sender see the quality of product sent. You could limit it to just the first card sent to limit your cost increase.

This is a pretty cool idea. I had considered it but not deeply enough in that it would likely increase the rate at which customers ended up returning which is the key metric. I might give it a shot, since it's easy.

The only reason I'm skeptical is that I'm already contacting people after a few days to follow up with them how their order went, so I'm unsure how much more upside there is to interacting with senders more post-free card.

The other two problems is you've now doubled your acquisition cost so it'd need to at least double your return rate to be worthwhile. Also you'd need to get people to enter their own address which will reduce your top-funnel conversion rate, but this isn't really a huge deal in the long run if you assume you can drive users cheaply to the app.

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#16
Zynga's not a great example because startups got a foothold and are now doing well why Zynga flounders. Kabam, Kixeye, etc. Zynga's audience was 100% casual users, and they've been unable to use any cross-promotional muscle to get into the mid to hard-core segment. Also there aren't real economies of scale and there is no third party distribution problem.

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming the marginal cost of printing an extra card is fairly small, have you considered sending a copy of the card to the sender? Unless the recipient provides some sort of feedback the sender doesn't really get anything to show for it. This could also let the sender see the quality of product sent. You could limit it to just the first card sent to limit your cost increase.

This is a pretty cool idea. I had considered it but not deeply enough in that it would likely increase the rate at which customers ended up returning which is the key metric. I might give it a shot, since it's easy. The only reason I'm skeptical is that I'm already contacting people after a few days to follow up with them how their order went, so I'm unsure how much more upside there is to interacting with senders mo…

Additional thought, you could put a unique promo code on the senders copy (code tied to their account) where if they buy X credits they get Z free.

Re: A VC’s take on the Season 5 premier of Sharktank

#19
post #14

Interesting. I've seen a few seasons of this and the international versions, and found it odd how different valuation works compared to with valley VCs.

Shark Tank also takes 2% stake regardless if they get funded or not.

Not really, it was 5% equity or 2% royalty and according to a Forbes article[1] ABC hadn't asked the two people interviewed for any money. The article also said their source claimed ABC wouldn't be asking for either in upcoming seasons.

[1]http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjcolao/2013/06/13/is-shark-tank...

Post reply on HN