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Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

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Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

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We've based an economy around a schizophrenics depraved game of chicken. That's what all this shit boils down to.

A fair point. When trying to model what human beings will do, and thus how human beings should strategize with respect to each-other, throwing out the pro-social super-rational aspects of human psychology and devolving to the sociopathic "logic" of a "rational agent" is a pretty dumb idea.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

#13

So is this the guy that's advised the Republicans in congress to ruin our country's credit rating as a bargaining maneuver with the stupid 'Debt Ceiling Debate'? "Alex Patton is a media & communications expert, Republican political consultant"

The Congress is a political puppet theater. The is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, the same masters are pulling their strings.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

#15

In fact I don't think there's a reason for the second player not to trust the "steal" guy. After all its a verbal contract with thousands of witnesses.

There's no way you could say a legally enforceable contract was formed in the context of a game show where they're expected to potentially lie to each other.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

#16
As we all know, most illustrative game theory exercises are highly simplistic. I should have been more careful in my language choice stating that this was a variation of the classic prisoner's dilemma.

Why this is a master's lesson in strategy is two fold: 1) It cuts to the heart of the matter that all strategy is based on credibility. One would just need to look around at current events to see this play out. 2) It also illustrates that making the punishment guaranteed and removing all doubt of misunderstanding are essential.

Thanks all for the comments. As far as wavesounds, you jump to conclusions.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

#17

By telling his strategy (“100%, I’m going to steal”), the first player forced the endgame he wanted. The second player had no option other than choose split in the hope he gets something. If the first player had instead manifested his interest in splitting, the second player would have no rational reason to not choosing to steal. It's an interesting twist on the prisoner's dilemma, and the first player played it acco…

Perhaps he had no rational reason to choose steal. But the actual issue is this: Is the other guy trustworthy?

Now if the "guy who had no choice" can't help but label the other guy untrustworthy because he has amazingly good people skills he could very well consider stealing to take revenge.

btw: your video is interesting as well. I think the convo gave a pretty good clue as to who was the honest one. I couldn't sense any real emotions in her. He on the other hand came across almost desperate.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

#18
I like the original title Political Strategy Master Session in 6 Minutes better than this one, but so be it.

Deeply understanding prisoner's dilemma helps explain a lot of office politics. Why are people at software firms more willing to ruffle feathers than at insurance companies? Because their prisoners dilemma games are shorter. How do you make sure that someone doesn't reneg on a deal? Make sure they see the game is longer than just 1.

It's not the be-all end all of strategy, but it's very interesting.

Further reading on coopetition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition

http://www.amazon.com/Co-Opetition-Adam-M-Brandenburger/dp/0...

I hate the word co-opetition, because it's a much deeper topic than "Why can't we all get along?" or "Why can't we manipulate each other into not competing?" That said, it's worth understanding.

Re: Everything you need to know about Strategy in 6 mins- solving prisoner's dilemma

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By telling his strategy (“100%, I’m going to steal”), the first player forced the endgame he wanted. The second player had no option other than choose split in the hope he gets something. If the first player had instead manifested his interest in splitting, the second player would have no rational reason to not choosing to steal. It's an interesting twist on the prisoner's dilemma, and the first player played it acco…

actually, the second player had the option to pick steal. the end game is that both of them will not pick steal and end up with nothing. if the second player had picked steal, he would have realized what the first guy was doing and since the first said he would steal and promised to split, he could still have had a change of heart and split with the second player.

if i was the second player, i would have chosen steal. if obama was the first player and the second player is putin/jinping, i can assure you they would also choose steal. the first player lucked out on that gambit.

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