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Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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"my own clothes were still all wrong" I can't even imagine what this might mean in this context. It was pretty clear to me even on the first day that there's no right or wrong way to dress, it's just part of that (radical) self-expression thing.

King Missile wrote what I consider to be the theme song for Burning Man[1], and is relevant here. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=351wGhomUNI

Of course there's plenty of conformity in Burning Man fashion. It is still fashion.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Sigh. Having never lived on the West Coast or been swept up in Valley culture, I'm having trouble even parsing this blog post for value beyond the, fairly obvious conclusion, of BMOrg's actual mission statement (which is partly in the title of the post).

Please don't mistake me for being a jerk. Burning Man seems like it would be an awesome experience. But this article seems overly critical and self-conscious about an event that by design should eschew both.

Also, I hope you have BRC's permission to use those photos ;-)

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Techies aren't ruining burning man, techies made burning man. Without the techie demographic, burning man would be overrun with hippies and it'd be indistinguishable from any old Rainbow Gathering. Yes, people spend a lot of money on burning man. An obscene amount, even. However, I'd bet that a majority of that money is on art projects and legit theme camps, and only a sliver is spent on the 'turn-key camps' that peo…

I think you proved a point here, just probably not the one you expected.

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Techies aren't ruining burning man, techies made burning man. Without the techie demographic, burning man would be overrun with hippies and it'd be indistinguishable from any old Rainbow Gathering. Yes, people spend a lot of money on burning man. An obscene amount, even. However, I'd bet that a majority of that money is on art projects and legit theme camps, and only a sliver is spent on the 'turn-key camps' that peo…

>I'd bet that a majority of that money is on art projects and legit theme camps

One trip's expenses from Texas for a dozen people. Most of our expense is getting there and back.

Fuel $4000

Tires $2500 (4 flat tires, more than usual)

Geodesic Dome $900 (reusable)

Food $1400

Water Storage $300 (reused three times)

Most of our theme camp stuff is used/re-purposed things that don't cost a lot.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Techies aren't ruining burning man, techies made burning man. Without the techie demographic, burning man would be overrun with hippies and it'd be indistinguishable from any old Rainbow Gathering. Yes, people spend a lot of money on burning man. An obscene amount, even. However, I'd bet that a majority of that money is on art projects and legit theme camps, and only a sliver is spent on the 'turn-key camps' that peo…

I think you proved a point here, just probably not the one you expected.

How many of Cacophony Society people who led Burning Man to the playa were techies? I'm guessing this number is a lot more than zero.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Sigh. Having never lived on the West Coast or been swept up in Valley culture, I'm having trouble even parsing this blog post for value beyond the, fairly obvious conclusion, of BMOrg's actual mission statement (which is partly in the title of the post). Please don't mistake me for being a jerk. Burning Man seems like it would be an awesome experience. But this article seems overly critical and self-conscious about a…

I'm a native of California and I'm not having any easier of a time getting this, I assure you.

Burning Man sounds like fun, but this post struck me as contrived and in complete juxtaposition to (what I think is) the intent of the festival. Wrong clothes??

If you're going to a festival seeking a religious awakening, you're doing life wrong.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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I've heard that the amount of lighting and fire in the night sky at Burning Man works as a leading indicator of the economy, and if this year at Burning Man was an indicator, the economy is back. I think much of the tension between haves and have-nots at Burning Man is contrived. I see modern Burning Man as a colloboration between wealthy techies from the Bay Area and builders and makers living closer to the event. T…

>Burning Man is not a communist utopia.

No, it's a BS hipster fest.

>I wanted him to experience the city and to experience gifting because I thought it would make him grow as a person and the world better off as a result

Takes naivety to a whole new level.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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post #16

Sigh. Having never lived on the West Coast or been swept up in Valley culture, I'm having trouble even parsing this blog post for value beyond the, fairly obvious conclusion, of BMOrg's actual mission statement (which is partly in the title of the post). Please don't mistake me for being a jerk. Burning Man seems like it would be an awesome experience. But this article seems overly critical and self-conscious about a…

I'm a native of California and I'm not having any easier of a time getting this, I assure you. Burning Man sounds like fun, but this post struck me as contrived and in complete juxtaposition to (what I think is) the intent of the festival. Wrong clothes?? If you're going to a festival seeking a religious awakening, you're doing life wrong.

>If you're going to a festival seeking a religious awakening, you're doing life wrong.

I think that attitude is something those who feel BM is important would deem "doing life wrong."

The world is not playgrounds to be attended for fun.

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Ugh. Here we go again. I'm really beginning to become tired of the constant tension associated with being in the tech industry (and, by proxy, its rung on the economic ladder): -we're driving up rent and destroying culture in San Francisco -we're ruining Burning Man -we blow big money at yuppie places on yuppie things Can't we all just keep a low profile? If Dustin really wanted to talk about his encounter with the W…

I thought this was an exceptionally well-written, nuanced article and your comment, to me, just reads like typical Hacker News complaining.

It's worse than that; it's a weird attempt to exonerate the tech industry that I don't understand.

It reads very much to me like: "Leave me alone, I have mine."

Re: Radical Inclusion vs. Radical Self-Reliance at Burning Man

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Ugh. Here we go again. I'm really beginning to become tired of the constant tension associated with being in the tech industry (and, by proxy, its rung on the economic ladder): -we're driving up rent and destroying culture in San Francisco -we're ruining Burning Man -we blow big money at yuppie places on yuppie things Can't we all just keep a low profile? If Dustin really wanted to talk about his encounter with the W…

>The horrible PR we all collectively maintain for ourselves is a definite NEGATIVE in this industry, sometimes.

Doesn't occur to you that the tech industry deserves it, does it.

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