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Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by bparsons »

koof wrote: post #9
sejje wrote: post #4

I'm a bit surprised that .08 BAC corresponds to 70% ability. That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. I'm just glad my car will drive itself soon.

>That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. How do you know what percentage of ability corresponds to bad driving?

>How do you know what percentage of ability corresponds to bad driving?

It is based on reaction time. So if you approach a stop light that turns red and you have a 70% score, you are taking approximately 30% longer to hit the car brakes.

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Post by 6d0debc071 »

sejje wrote: post #4

I'm a bit surprised that .08 BAC corresponds to 70% ability. That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. I'm just glad my car will drive itself soon.

Good driving doesn't have that much to do with your reaction time. 40% slower to respond, with a well planned drive, is a lot safer than 40% faster driving too close.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by aliciahatt »

dimitar wrote: post #3

Good: * The idea is pretty interesting; I feel like I'm drunk, but I'm undersleeping the last few months. * The major reason I don't get enough sleep is that I need to binge from time to time to get things done or enjoy life. I think I'll do better if I could track my sleeping needs before I get to feel like I do now Bad: * TA looks like an advertisement * The website uses words like "your workforce". I hope employer…

Great thing with your Real-time feedback on the Readiband you are able to tell yourself if how your feel matches up to your bodies fatigue level.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by jessaustin »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #12
sejje wrote: post #4

I'm a bit surprised that .08 BAC corresponds to 70% ability. That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. I'm just glad my car will drive itself soon.

Good driving doesn't have that much to do with your reaction time. 40% slower to respond, with a well planned drive, is a lot safer than 40% faster driving too close.

Sure, but one aspect of "terrible" driving would be: following too close, leaving oneself insufficient space to brake in response to leading vehicles. So, someone who is terrible in that respect could be more dangerous sober than a better driver is when drunk.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by patbyrne »

dimitar wrote: post #3

Good: * The idea is pretty interesting; I feel like I'm drunk, but I'm undersleeping the last few months. * The major reason I don't get enough sleep is that I need to binge from time to time to get things done or enjoy life. I think I'll do better if I could track my sleeping needs before I get to feel like I do now Bad: * TA looks like an advertisement * The website uses words like "your workforce". I hope employer…

I think you might be right except for airlines!!! I wouldn't want to be on a plane with a pilot that doesn't sleep well.

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Post by sliverstorm »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #12
sejje wrote: post #4

I'm a bit surprised that .08 BAC corresponds to 70% ability. That means that in many cases, a good-but-legally-drunk driver will be vastly out-performing a terrible-but-sober driver. I'm just glad my car will drive itself soon.

Good driving doesn't have that much to do with your reaction time. 40% slower to respond, with a well planned drive, is a lot safer than 40% faster driving too close.

Well... I'd say good driving works to minimize the importance of your reaction time, but that doesn't make reaction time unimportant.

I do agree with your general point though.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by sliverstorm »

jessaustin wrote: post #14
6d0debc071 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good driving doesn't have that much to do with your reaction time. 40% slower to respond, with a well planned drive, is a lot safer than 40% faster driving too close.

Sure, but one aspect of "terrible" driving would be: following too close, leaving oneself insufficient space to brake in response to leading vehicles. So, someone who is terrible in that respect could be more dangerous sober than a better driver is when drunk.

Of course, the real reason the limit is there is because the greatest danger is the terrible driver, drunk. When you take 30% worse of "terrible", you get "really terrible".

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by Swizec »

bparsons wrote: post #6
Swizec wrote: post #2

Can't remember exact resource right now, but I've been researching sleep deprivation and related topics for a chapter in my book and apparently every hour of sleep deprivation reduces your cognitive performance by roughly 25%. I found that rather fascinating.

Swizec, if you are interested in additional resources for your book, I would be happy to connect you with some folks at Fatigue Science (they have a ton of data on how sleep deprivation contributes to reduced cognition and reaction time), or even hook you up with a two week trial of the Readiband for free.

Oh man that would be incredibly awesome if you could! My email is swizec@swizec.com, I'm open for talking to anyone who knows this stuff better than I do.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by dimitar »

aliciahatt wrote: post #13
dimitar wrote: post #3

Good: * The idea is pretty interesting; I feel like I'm drunk, but I'm undersleeping the last few months. * The major reason I don't get enough sleep is that I need to binge from time to time to get things done or enjoy life. I think I'll do better if I could track my sleeping needs before I get to feel like I do now Bad: * TA looks like an advertisement * The website uses words like "your workforce". I hope employer…

Great thing with your Real-time feedback on the Readiband you are able to tell yourself if how your feel matches up to your bodies fatigue level.

Exactly. That way I'll know if staying late is worth it. An hour of sleep doesn't "cost" the same at any time.

Re: Didn't Get Enough Sleep? You Might As Well Be Drunk

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Post by Swizec »

DoctorHouse wrote: post #7
Swizec wrote: post #2

Can't remember exact resource right now, but I've been researching sleep deprivation and related topics for a chapter in my book and apparently every hour of sleep deprivation reduces your cognitive performance by roughly 25%. I found that rather fascinating.

care to elaborate on your book?

I'm writing a book called "Why programmers work at night" (http://nightowlsbook.com) and as part of it I'm tackling the problem of helping programmers (and their managers/clients) get the best out of their brain, which includes things like sleep deprivation, how nutrition impacts cognitive performance and feelings of fatigue etc.
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