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Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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The last thing we need is yet another article (albeit a fairly well-written one) about the problems faced in the abstract, with no solutions in sight. So I'm going to propose one thing you can do. Yes, you. If you see someone being an asshole, particularly if they're someone you know already, make them aware of what they're doing and why it's inappropriate. This works just as well for casual sexism as it does 'bully'…

Exactly. This comes down to releasing a little bit of your inner sheepdog[1].

[1] http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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5/6 comments in here clearly skimmed the article and didn't bother making a single ounce of effort to understand what the author was saying. Instead, grabbed a few vague references and dismiss the entire idea out-of-hand. Typical. Let me guess, you scream and cover your ears and go "NO NOT ME!" when the word "privilege" is uttered?

I catch myself regularly needing to go "Hey man, if that's what they want to be doing/wearing/etc and they're happy, good for fucking them; rock on." and I hate myself for being surprised yesterday when my (albeit new) female friend pulled some obscure technical knowledge out in the middle of a conversation.

The article is exactly right and these comments show the problem - you have to give a fuck and not be a selfish tool and listen and try to be a nice person.

Oh and look at the poor victims in this thread. "How dare you post an article about a sensitive and important topic?! How dare I again have to confront my privilege. Raaage."

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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>You are a sexist, misoyngistic, homophobic, transphobic, classist, racist asshole. Oh, and possibly even a hypocrite. >Sorry bro. >Yes, I have slut-shamed, body-policed, name-called, bad-joked, appropriated, derailed, co-opted, silenced, objectified, stereotyped, trivialized, slurred, punished, isolated, insulted, benefited, and stayed silent with the worst of them. I'm missing the overarching sarcasm, right? Surely…

I especially like the delicious irony of the third-last sentence:

> Don’t show up in other people’s spaces and communities without invitation demanding to receive their time and attention.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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>You are a sexist, misoyngistic, homophobic, transphobic, classist, racist asshole. Oh, and possibly even a hypocrite. >Sorry bro. >Yes, I have slut-shamed, body-policed, name-called, bad-joked, appropriated, derailed, co-opted, silenced, objectified, stereotyped, trivialized, slurred, punished, isolated, insulted, benefited, and stayed silent with the worst of them. I'm missing the overarching sarcasm, right? Surely…

I think you're misinterpreting something. When she lists all the bad things she's done, she's not saying they're good things. She's admitting she's a hypocrite.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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post #7

Meh, this is just another diatribe that makes all sexism and racism as sin: a pernicious character flaw that can never be blotted out, but must be constantly atoned for. Ditch the hairshirts, they don't suit you. This is particularly shitty, because they take systemic problems, like racism, sexism, environmentalism, and make them into personal responsibilities. See here: http://jacobinmag.com/2013/07/revolutionizing-…

Do you think you are separate from the system? Can you change the system without introspecting?

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is "speak up" less abstract than "just listen"? They're both good advice. But there are so many issues that you'll have to be abstract to describe them collectively. I think "just listen" is good advice because you have to know what kind of problems there are before you can even recognize someone being an asshole.

"Just listen" can be helpful to identify problems, but here's the issue: we all already know of 99% of the problems! We just don't act on them. Social pressure is a powerful thing, and most of the time that's all it takes to correct issues. "Speak up" isn't abstract, it's concrete: if you hear someone say something inappropriate, tell them . That's it. Simple as that.

we all already know of 99% of the problems!

I strongly disagree. Minor changes in wording can affect the gender gap. It doesn't involve anyone saying something inappropriate. http://www.ere.net/2013/03/01/you-dont-know-it-but-women-see... Stereotype threat can dramatically affect test scores. http://www.reducingstereotypethreat.org/definition.html Most people have no idea these things exist. Fixing them takes more awareness than just telling off the "bad guys". You have to change your own behavior.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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post #15
post #7

Meh, this is just another diatribe that makes all sexism and racism as sin: a pernicious character flaw that can never be blotted out, but must be constantly atoned for. Ditch the hairshirts, they don't suit you. This is particularly shitty, because they take systemic problems, like racism, sexism, environmentalism, and make them into personal responsibilities. See here: http://jacobinmag.com/2013/07/revolutionizing-…

Do you think you are separate from the system? Can you change the system without introspecting?

Introspection is a start, but I've seen years of conscious raising without the necessary systemic action to change things.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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When someone accuses me of being any of those things, I just say "yes" and let them think so. If people want me to be sexist I can be sexist. I can be a women (or MAN!) hater if I want, or if the name-caller wants. Either is fine.

Here's the thing: whenever I'm called names it makes me want to be/continue being those things just because if pisses the person off. It hurts their fragile little feelings that someone has the audacity of not having the exact same opinion as them and they can't digest it. And while they've having a shouting fit or breaking down I'm continuing with my life, now perhaps a little happier that I've pissed another person off just by being me.

Hey, article writer! I'm never visiting neither your blog or this popular (for some reason) "medium.com" domain, nor am I going to stop being myself. Being me has gotten me to where I am and being you has only resulted in you having constant fits that there are people who aren't genetically alike to yourself. You go ahead and break down and I'll just laugh at you while continuing to call you a fat, nigger-loving, liberal, man-hating feminazi.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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post #2

So, basically, everyone that doesn't agree with her is just irrational, deluded, etc. The world horribly bad, oppressing, we're all sinners in need of salvation, etc., etc. I'm tired of these rants. I'll gladly listen to you describing your experiences, but I don't accept your worldview, and I will not agree to describe myself as “misogynistic” or “racist” (not to mention “asshole”), just because I don't agree with y…

I flagged it because it's just pure vitriol.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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When someone accuses me of being any of those things, I just say "yes" and let them think so. If people want me to be sexist I can be sexist. I can be a women (or MAN!) hater if I want, or if the name-caller wants. Either is fine. Here's the thing: whenever I'm called names it makes me want to be/continue being those things just because if pisses the person off. It hurts their fragile little feelings that someone has…

Damn... you kind of had me until that last part. That isn't going to help you any. :/
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