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Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by UncleHo »

jawngee wrote: post #10
UncleHo wrote: post #2

I'm in Hanoi. Tried to click on the link. Blocked. BBC.com totally blocked here.

I'm in Saigon. Use 8.8.8.8 for your DNS, unless you are accessing via 3G. I use unblock-us.com for my home network. Honestly, I don't see how they plan on enforcing this except for having a look see at already well known dissident bloggers. And, frankly, I think this 9X generation, which seems to be drowning in unprecedented narcissim will flip this whole place on its head when they get a bit older. Vietnam will be a…

I was using 8.8.8.8 for my DNS (I think it's google DNS?), but it was ridiculously slow for me. Wasn't sure if I was being penalized somehow for switching DNS provider and ended up changing back to my IP's DNS.

It's a good point about the 9Xers. I don't know how politically aware or motivated they are, but I do know that, like the rest of us, they want free access to information and communication. Even if it is just to send instagrams of their bun cha.

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

#13

Post by tinco »

UncleHo wrote: post #8
dpatrick86 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://pastebin.com/PdwfGr8c

Thanks for that.

I don't know how bad these things are in Vietnam, but please be careful reading texts like these over plain HTTP. HN is https for me, but pastebin isn't. You could use https://pastee.org instead.

Ofcourse, make sure that the certificate you get is actually from a non-vietnam authority. I think you can enforce this by running chrome.

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by comex »

alextingle wrote: post #12

> Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". My hypocrisy-meter just broke.

Considering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

#15

Post by Shizka »

comex wrote: post #14
alextingle wrote: post #12

> Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". My hypocrisy-meter just broke.

Considering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.

Of course it's a valid complaint. Just because the US has a number of, lets call them unfortunate, stances on the definition on freedom doesn't mean they can't make complaints. But you must admit that this does make them seem somewhat hypocritical?

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by blackcat »

tinco wrote: post #13
UncleHo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that.

I don't know how bad these things are in Vietnam, but please be careful reading texts like these over plain HTTP. HN is https for me, but pastebin isn't. You could use https://pastee.org instead. Ofcourse, make sure that the certificate you get is actually from a non-vietnam authority. I think you can enforce this by running chrome.

What is the punishment for reading banned news?

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

#17

Post by jivatmanx »

comex wrote: post #14
alextingle wrote: post #12

> Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". My hypocrisy-meter just broke.

Considering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.

Vietnam is a communist tyranny that simply applying existing laws and policies to a new medium, so this isn't really a change.

Economists prefer percentages to absolutes, and trends to isolated incidents. 9/11 has not only halted the long trend towards increasing freedom, but began a new and troubling trend of growing tyranny.

Perhaps the U.S. isn't overtly attacking press freedom, but the U.K. is, informs the U.S. before every incident, and the U.S. couldn't be happier.

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by ams6110 »

blackcat wrote: post #16
tinco wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how bad these things are in Vietnam, but please be careful reading texts like these over plain HTTP. HN is https for me, but pastebin isn't. You could use https://pastee.org instead. Ofcourse, make sure that the certificate you get is actually from a non-vietnam authority. I think you can enforce this by running chrome.

What is the punishment for reading banned news?

An interesting question, though from this piece anyway, it sounds like the focus is on the publishers not the readers.

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by state »

jawngee wrote: post #10
UncleHo wrote: post #2

I'm in Hanoi. Tried to click on the link. Blocked. BBC.com totally blocked here.

I'm in Saigon. Use 8.8.8.8 for your DNS, unless you are accessing via 3G. I use unblock-us.com for my home network. Honestly, I don't see how they plan on enforcing this except for having a look see at already well known dissident bloggers. And, frankly, I think this 9X generation, which seems to be drowning in unprecedented narcissim will flip this whole place on its head when they get a bit older. Vietnam will be a…

Had to look up the "9X generation". For those interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9X_Generation

Re: Vietnam Internet restrictions come into effect

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Post by gizmo686 »

comex wrote: post #14
alextingle wrote: post #12

> Last month the US embassy in Hanoi said it was "deeply concerned by the decree's provisions", arguing that "fundamental freedoms apply online just as they do offline". My hypocrisy-meter just broke.

Considering that the US has zero speech-related internet censorship, and the comparison is to a law banning sharing any news articles online and publishing any material opposing the government, I'd say the US still has a valid complaint here.

I wouldn't say zero. Child pornagraphy and copyright infringement are still censored. (Admitadly, most copyright infringement is self sensored to assure DMCA compliance, but I still count that).
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