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Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#11
This reeks of the most cowardly pandering to proto fascist mission creep I've read in a long time. I mean take these key quotes for instance:

>Mr. Mukerjee appears to have been flagged by the Behaviour Detection Officer (BDO)

>Mr. Mukerjee became verbally aggressive

>Mr. Mukerjee becoming further agitated and aggressive after testing positive for explosives, as well as him repeatedly reaching for his not-yet-manually-searched bag.

I know a lot of you HNs live in America and probably arnt familiar with dictatorial or cold war communist institutions but these kind of articles are classic examples of the publics refusal to acknowledge injustice perpetraded by a power hungry government institution. The sooner people realise that their government is not all good the better. In the meantime articles like these and those who write them continue to facilitate the decline of public freedoms and personal liberties.

Flying Fish should feel ashamed.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#13
This is gripping reading for me, because "Mr. Mukerjee" is someone I know by first name, indeed nickname, even though I have never met him. (He was my son's roommate for most of the last year, and was the crucial connection for my son getting his job in New York City.)

I appreciate seeing someone else's perspective on the incident that has appalled all my Facebook friends who have seen Mr. Mukerjee's own account

http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-...

of his experience at the airport (which was a top post on Hacker News for about a full day). We can all learn something about any incident by hearing a second opinion on it.

That said, if Mr. Mukerjee’s behavior that day was "aggressive," my interpretation of that, never having met him, but knowing his roommate very well indeed, is that he was assertive about claiming the civil rights of an American. (I imagine he was also hungry, tired, and eager to travel to see his family.) It's too bad that people who assert their rights are taken to be acting suspiciously, but let's examine the incident and modify the system in a way that makes it easier, not harder, for a tired and hungry traveler to get straight answers and have factual misimpressions resolved, rather than assuming that every loyal American[1] is a terrorist.

After formal study of the law and work as a judicial clerk in a state supreme court, I find that my bottom line is that I still have to remind myself to be very deferential in the presence of law enforcement officers--especially armed law enforcement officers. Asserting my rights is not something the system makes easy to do, EVEN FOR A LAWYER, once the situational triggers of law-enforcement occur. But this is all the more reason to let the great majority of travelers who are neither terrorists nor lawyers, but just people trying to make a living and spend time with their families, enjoy efficient, friendly travel. Something went awry here, and being just one remove away from directly knowing the victim, I'm inclined not to blame the victim.

[1] I am sure that Mr. Mukerjee has a strong sense of being an American because he met my son in Ireland, where both were as part of a summer program. The Irish kids teased all the Americans in the program for their horrific accents in spoken English [smile]. My son and Mr. Mukerjee forged their friendship through their shared Americanness in a foreign land, and I think the United States ought to treat all its own citizens and all the foreigners who visit America better than current TSA procedures treat air travelers.

AFTER EDIT: Another comment in this thread reminded me to check the background of the author of the blog post kindly submitted here. Wired reported in 2009

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/dhs-threatens-blogg...

that the blogger was questioned by TSA agents after releasing a TSA document on his blog. It seems that at least some of the time he has been most interested in posting an interesting read for frequent travelers, and not necessarily trying to curry favor with TSA. I think he succeeded here, too, agree or disagree, in writing an interesting blog post (as did Mr. Mukerjee in his blog post).

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#14
How I hate these stenographer-to-the-powerful articles.

The guy makes his money as a consultant to airlines; he here gives the official side of things under cover of perfect anonymity and official deniability. He does it while pretending to be a neutral arbiter of fact, showing no skepticism at all about official claims. And, naturally, he doesn't bother to follow up with the author of the blog post he responded to. I guess he was just too gosh-darned busy writing down what people with nice uniforms told him.

This just in: guy with hand in pocket of airlines believes airlines did just the right thing. What innovative reporting!

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#15
In January of 2010, I was coming back from the Middle East and landed in JFK airport after a 20 hour flight. This was weeks after the underwear bombing incident and I was expecting heightened security. I went through the cotton swab test which came out to be positive and was detained for an hour at the airport. I complied with the TSA for any searches they wanted to do on me (I was tired and was frankly a little alarmed by the positive cotton swab test).

After an hour and a thorough search of my belonging, I was rescheduled on a different flight (for free) and I got back home.

Something about the original story did seem a little strange to me. I am a text book "random search" person - born in the middle east, Arabic sounding name, frequent trips to the middle east, etc. But I always tend to comply and be honest about what I have been doing. Besides that one detention and "random" screens, I've not been too bothered by the security personal (remember, they are people too). I guess I am just used to more intrusive searches in other countries.

Edit: For the record, I am not a citizen or permanent resident of the US (work visa).

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#17
Well of course the ordeal seems perfectly justified when one repeats the useless bureaucratic procedure at every turn. There was clearly some reasons that these events happened, and that is the whole fucking problem.

And please do tell, why is it wrong for one to be agitated or aggressive when being hassled by goons? Any pretense of civilized interaction vanishes the minute they threaten you into complying with their theatre.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#18
> However,multiple statements by TSA personnel reference Mr. Mukerjee repeatedly grabbing for his bag after he was told not to touch it. When someone is acting unusual, alarms for explosives and then starts grabbing for their bag against instruction by security personnel, security and law enforcement pays attention.

Seriously? If my bag has my expensive laptop, iPad and other stuff in it I'm gonna be likely to grab for it as well. I wouldn't want to leave it with the TSA — especially when there have been reports of theft and unprofessional behaviour.

How can they possibly classify his behaviour as "unusual"? It seems pretty normal to me.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#19
post #5

Why does "keeping in mind that false positives with ETD are not uncommon" sound unsettling to me?

If you've got a better way to distinguish trace amounts of explosive chemicals, i'm sure they'd love to pay you millions for machines to test it :) http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_86v6.pdf looks relavent here.

Completely skimming it, the test sites had false positive rates of 0.6 - 1.8%.

I'd classify that as "not uncommon".

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