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An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

I am going to copypasta this in every "NSA is evil" post I come across. You put it more eloquently than I've been able to.

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If a nation or a group was acting towards American citizens the way the NSA (and other TLAs) does, we'd probably assume they were at war with us.

Now you know how everyone outside the United States feels.

I've been aware of it for years. My only consolation in the events of the past few months is that a lot of my friends no longer view my opinions as being in left field.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? US citizens are fair game too.

They are but they're not supposed to be. At least, they weren't. I know that's apparently changed but that is a funny thing to have such a flap over, if you feel that it is somehow bad in principle to target your own civilians when they have not (yet) done anything wrong what is it that makes it a-ok to do the same on foreigners? I can't follow that reasoning.

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Re: An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

This is just like one of those 'support our troops' stickers that were all over the USA.

> I just assume that they're serving.

That doesn't mean they are serving our collective best interests. They might very well be acting against those interests while they think they are serving them.

Vietnam vets are a particularly bad example to bring up here (and I know a couple of them that are very outspoken in this regard), they were fed a line and used and plenty of them still live with the guilt and horrors of that today.

To serve some masters blindly is quite dangerous for ones mental health especially in the longer term.

Calling Snowden not a 'true whistleblower' makes me wonder what it would take for you to consider anybody a whistleblower.

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post #11

I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

I am going to copypasta this in every "NSA is evil" post I come across. You put it more eloquently than I've been able to.

Yes, because eloquence === truth.

Re: An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

Parent makes the case in favor of sympathy for public servants very eloquently, but constructs his argument by appealing to how much we don't know about what's really going on in the NSA--but the American public shouldn't have to take the NSA or its sympathizers on faith. It may not be reasonable to expect full disclosure, but the current level of disclosure is insulting. It's easy to believe that most civil servants have our best interests at heart; but we shouldn't have to just believe it. Suitable oversight should provide all necessary evidence.

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

>... for their part in upholding their oath. ...

Which oath? The one where you swear to defend the constitution, or the one where you swear not to?

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

Parent makes the case in favor of sympathy for public servants very eloquently, but constructs his argument by appealing to how much we don't know about what's really going on in the NSA--but the American public shouldn't have to take the NSA or its sympathizers on faith. It may not be reasonable to expect full disclosure, but the current level of disclosure is insulting. It's easy to believe that most civil servants…

Oversight is definitely the key to limiting the possibility of government overreach, but it is wrong on the populace's part to think that just because they aren't privy to the oversight that it isn't there.

There is much the same problem with those who work in the political realm in D.C. They are constantly derided as do-nothing on a macro scale, but on an individual basis a lot of effort is put into how laws are constructed and amended. This is analogue to the situation in the intelligence community -- a lot of work is done by individuals and the organization they are a part of to preserve civil liberties, but disclosing the nature of their collection abilities in the interest of the transparency of their protection of civil liberties is absolutely counter-productive. A big difference between the two, is that the political worker can disclose their work while the intelligence worker can not.

I'm not denying that there are instances of overreach, but I'm merely making the point that the framework for protection of civil liberties is not a piece of glass that shatters on the first stone thrown against it. It is an organic process, which is subject to upper and lower bounds in order to come to rest at a medium level with which both the public is suitably comfortable, and which gets the job done.

Re: An Open Letter to My Former NSA Colleagues

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I can understand the public outrage over what the implications are for things that have been circulated in the press. The author, however, is guilty of a very terrible error in my opinion -- he has walked the halls of Ft. Meade and seen how the NSA operated, and yet now he believes that the NSA operates 180 degrees from when he joined. He's essentially casting aspersions at those who have joined the NSA since his lea…

It is not true that the government doesn't care about the rights of individuals just because you want it to be true. Those that are employed are individuals too, and are not being magically compelled to carry terrible secrets against their individual moral codes and ethics. They are carrying out a mission of defense which extends into the technology of this century -- even cars have had 100 years for us to deliberate and come up with the current system of laws that govern that technology.

Not sure how you are going to be able to substantiate this in any way, as the public can only judge the NSA based on the reactions of the establishment against its detractors and whistleblowers, lies and damned lies, etc.

So this may be a case of "don't blame the peon's" but is deflecting from the issues at hand of abhorrent abuses of power.

While the legal framework for their actions are up for debate, their collective character is not.

How so?

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