Is this so freedom loving American big business can use the government they paid for to extradite, render, kidnap and perhaps torture dirty, thieving, terrorist, pedophile, A-Rab foreigners for downloading Breaking Bad?
SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
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Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#12Absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason copyrights should be protected more strongly than traditional property rights. If I trespass on someone's land, it's not a felony. If I build a hotel on someone's land, it's still not a felony. The redress for copyright violations should be civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutions.
Don't Americans have guns to protect property? I suppose in fairness Disney cant run out and wave a gun at people downloading cartoons.
Yes, its disgustingly over the top, but then, what isn't these days?
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#13if enough crimes can be committed by sharing data online then the government would have enough incentive to hold complete control over the internet to prevent such crimes.
these people really want total control over flow of information.
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, hence why Obama is pushing for it to be felony. He/Hollywood wants to discourage and intimidate people at whatever level he/they can get away with so people do not stream and instead go to theatres or stream at websites they are supported by the producers. It is all about the money.
This is the part I'm really confused about. How are people supposed to know which source is authorised for distribution and which isn't? In some countries you can go to BBC iPlayer and just play some movies. In some you can't. In some you can use Hulu, in some you can't. Basically if I google "watch Xyz online" I will get a long list of results where I'm 2 clicks away from watching Xyz - how am I supposed to know whi…
They are mostly going after the dealers of the unauth streams collecting ad revenue around it.
It's MEGA again.
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#15I haven't even read TFA but I can bet you this: the felons would be those uploading the streams, not those downloading.
How do I know this? Because copyright law targets, and always has targeted, those distributing copyrighted material without license rather than those consuming it. One of the reasons is, as a comment elsewhere makes evident [1], it is not the responsibility of the consumer to know whether goods being purchased have been legally procured.
Where this gets tricky is in Bittorrent swarms, unless you leech, each peer uploads as well as downloads content, making each user a party to the "distribution" of content. This is what enabled those famous P2P lawsuits which resulted in those fines.
People like to think of the RIAA and MPAA as stupid dinosaurs, but as comments here make it clear, they've been undeniably successful in getting people to associate "downloading" with "illegal activity".
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#16This isn't a big surprise. The US really only has a few net-positive exports, and media products are one of the big ones (and military products, is another, iirc)
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#17Absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason copyrights should be protected more strongly than traditional property rights. If I trespass on someone's land, it's not a felony. If I build a hotel on someone's land, it's still not a felony. The redress for copyright violations should be civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutions.
Don't Americans have guns to protect property? I suppose in fairness Disney cant run out and wave a gun at people downloading cartoons. Yes, its disgustingly over the top, but then, what isn't these days?
I'm pretty sure that not all states have castle laws, though.
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#18Absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason copyrights should be protected more strongly than traditional property rights. If I trespass on someone's land, it's not a felony. If I build a hotel on someone's land, it's still not a felony. The redress for copyright violations should be civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutions.
Don't Americans have guns to protect property? I suppose in fairness Disney cant run out and wave a gun at people downloading cartoons. Yes, its disgustingly over the top, but then, what isn't these days?
No, actually. Outside of Texas, the exception that proves the rule, you are not allowed to use lethal force to protect property.
As I understand Texas law (which I wouldn't surprise to find judicially nullified someday, like similar Oklahoma law), you are allowed to use lethal force on someone stealing your property after a verbal warning.
Which is in no way analogous to the point you're making. US law very much does not support "self-help" as its called to redress wrongs after the fact.
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't Americans have guns to protect property? I suppose in fairness Disney cant run out and wave a gun at people downloading cartoons. Yes, its disgustingly over the top, but then, what isn't these days?
I'm pretty sure that not all states have castle laws, though.
Castle laws pertain to "Your home is your castle", and maybe business. I'm not aware of any that touch on property, they just make it clear you have no duty to retreat from your home (ADDED: true in 46 states according to Wikipedia), and the better ones allow you assume a home invader is a lethal threat, as you can reasonably assume about anyone invading an occupied dwelling. Otherwise proving that could be lethal to you, e.g. challenging the intruder gets a bullet in reply.
Note as usual all this is subject to judicial nullification, in my home state of Missouri as of 2010 the latter part of our crystal clear Castle Doctrine has been nullified through middle level appeals court required jury instructions. Our higher level judicial appointments are not surprisingly done according to the Missouri Plan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Plan), so the usual suspects control the process, not the people through their elected representatives.
Re: SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it
#20Absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason copyrights should be protected more strongly than traditional property rights. If I trespass on someone's land, it's not a felony. If I build a hotel on someone's land, it's still not a felony. The redress for copyright violations should be civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutions.
Don't Americans have guns to protect property? I suppose in fairness Disney cant run out and wave a gun at people downloading cartoons. Yes, its disgustingly over the top, but then, what isn't these days?
Generally, defense of property must be proportional to the harm threatened, and use of deadly force is not authorized: http://www.volokh.com/posts/1176499503.shtml (interesting blog post in the context of "hacking back").