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Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by DanBC »

brador wrote: post #7
jheriko wrote: post #2

it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…

Could you get a uk VPN and brute domain names looking for ISP holding pages?

Richard Clayton did some research (some time ago) about cleen feed.

The paper linked on his page here - (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/)

> I examined BT's CleanFeed system (its proper name is the BT Anti-Child-Abuse Initiative). This was designed to be a low cost, but highly accurate, system for blocking "child pornography". At first sight it is significant improvement upon existing schemes. However, CleanFeed derives its advantages from employing two separate stages, and this hybrid system is thereby made more fragile because circumvention of either stage, whether by the end user or by the content provider, will cause the blocking to fail.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by bowlofpetunias »

If we want to effectively fight censorship, we should stop using the language of those who falsely claim this is not censorship, and the courts that abuse their power to violate the people's rights.

It's not the sites that are being blocked, it's the people.

The sites are still there, fully connected to the internet, and there are dozens of ways to access them.

It's the people who's digital movements are being restricted, in a way that is virtually analogous to the restrictions totalitarian regimes impose on the freedoms of their citizens to access information and leave the country.

We are becoming the virtual prisoners of a regime not formed by politburos or generals, but judges with a total and complete disregard for the very foundation of the legal system they are supposed to serve.

Because let it be abundantly clear: as a citizen of a free and democratic country, I have every right to visit the Pirate Bay, read their blog or browse the thousands of torrents they have to offer. Nothing about this is illegal, in fact, my right to do this is supposed to be protected. It is part of the very foundation of our society that these rights are protected. Blood has been spilled to protect them, and these courts are spitting on the graves of those who have laid down their lives for our freedom.

There cannot be a functioning democracy if the courts can restrict the freedoms of millions without while the government looks the other way.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by flumbaps »

biot wrote: post #6
jheriko wrote: post #2

it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…

If someone clones all your employer's apps with all the in-app purchases and release everything for free and sales plummet, you're okay losing your job because you haven't grown up and adapted your business model, you disgustingly rich person with unjustifiable income, you? :)

Our Internet access is being censored in secret because of entrenched interests in big media companies. The desire to prevent piracy is not childish in and of itself, but this is a doomed approach with considerable collateral damage. Successful digital content delivery services have proved the viability of alternative business models that actually benefit consumers. So, a better analogy would be asking whether you'd have been upset at losing a job making horse drawn carriages when the car got invented. Probably yes, no-one likes losing their job - but you'd have to be pretty selfish to lobby for a blanket ban on automobiles.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by brador »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #8
brador wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you get a uk VPN and brute domain names looking for ISP holding pages?

How would you suggest we get a list of every domain name currently registered? And how would you suggest we identify blocked domains as opposed to redirected, offline, or similar? And how do you recommend we pay for the billions of comput' hour such a task would take? So in other words: It isn't feasible.

Don't be so negative. You can get the master .com domain list from Verizon as a download. Identify blocked domains by the holding page and header info. I'm guessing they do something like the guys here with a big page saying seized.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by harrytuttle »

bowlofpetunias wrote: post #12

If we want to effectively fight censorship , we should stop using the language of those who falsely claim this is not censorship, and the courts that abuse their power to violate the people's rights. It's not the sites that are being blocked, it's the people . The sites are still there, fully connected to the internet, and there are dozens of ways to access them. It's the people who's digital movements are being rest…

Thanks for the insight into the people versus sites blocking. This never occurred to me and is possibly the strongest way of promoting opposition to it.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by jheriko »

biot wrote: post #6
jheriko wrote: post #2

it would be interesting to know who is being blocked. is it really all copyright issues? i'd feel much happier if it was the really nasty stuff you know - child porn, snuff videos or whatever that were being blocked - you know things that actually damage society not just the pockets of the disgustingly rich who need to grow up and adapt their business models so that they work instead of litigating to try and keep the…

If someone clones all your employer's apps with all the in-app purchases and release everything for free and sales plummet, you're okay losing your job because you haven't grown up and adapted your business model, you disgustingly rich person with unjustifiable income, you? :)

ironically i have had to deal with this precise problem.

in the real world you deal with real world problems - you don't get to negotiate because you feel entitled - in the general case at least people have zero tolerance for such behaviour and it gets you nowhere.

we have a capitalist society after all... supply, demand and competition rule supreme in our economy.

don't downvote this guy his point is perfectly valid.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by jheriko »

jheriko wrote: post #18
biot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone clones all your employer's apps with all the in-app purchases and release everything for free and sales plummet, you're okay losing your job because you haven't grown up and adapted your business model, you disgustingly rich person with unjustifiable income, you? :)

ironically i have had to deal with this precise problem. in the real world you deal with real world problems - you don't get to negotiate because you feel entitled - in the general case at least people have zero tolerance for such behaviour and it gets you nowhere. we have a capitalist society after all... supply, demand and competition rule supreme in our economy. don't downvote this guy his point is perfectly valid…

i would add as well that i work in the entertainment industry... i have nothing against artist, performers, production staff and feel they deserve rewarding for their work - but (and i have personal bias) i have no love for the leeches that tie them into exploitative contracts then winge when they don't get the benefit of their /should be illegal and are certainly immoral/ business practices because they went out of date 10 years ago.

Re: UK courts have not been forthcoming with access to website blocking orders

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

DanBC wrote: post #5

BT use cleanfeed. Imagine there's a problem with Cleanfeed, and BT need to "turn it off and on again" - they are not allowed to do so without the written permission of the studios, or without a Judge telling them that it's okay to do so. ( http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/... ) 16 & 18. > BT also requests the inclusion in the order of the following provision: "In the event that [BT] forms t…

Wow. Public rights completely inferior to Studios' rights.
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