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Verified Extortion

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Re: Verified Extortion

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As far as i see it, for media/gaming apps there are two platforms that you can (try to) make enough money to buy a small island with: facebook and iphone. Both are flooded now with competitors, and not of the stupid sort, so good luck...and await the xbox mobile!

I don't think Matt is "trying" to make money on the Facebook platform with games. He's already profitable and growing - http://www.bluefroggaming.com/company.php

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Are you joking? The top Facebook apps make more in a month than the top iPhone apps make in a lifetime. Even mid level apps, the sort that would never make the top 25 on iTunes, make more in a year than a top 10 paid app on iTunes does. Try Googling for Zynga Revenues. The Facebook platform is orders of magnitude more profitable than iPhone. Don't mistake buzz for profitability.

> Zynga Don't get me started on my Mafia Wars addiction.

Do you pay for that crap though?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you joking? The top Facebook apps make more in a month than the top iPhone apps make in a lifetime. Even mid level apps, the sort that would never make the top 25 on iTunes, make more in a year than a top 10 paid app on iTunes does. Try Googling for Zynga Revenues. The Facebook platform is orders of magnitude more profitable than iPhone. Don't mistake buzz for profitability.

> Zynga Don't get me started on my Mafia Wars addiction.

The game that can be (and is) played by a script.

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Why is he complaining about Facebook when all the company did was respond to user complaints about apps that behaved badly? When thousands of people got daily invites to stupid apps, something had to be done. Regardless of whether facebook had ever announced the verified apps program, the new restrictions would make sense. When you develop for a young platform (particularly a proprietary one) you should realize it ma…

Facebook certainly could have handled things better but other than that I agree with you. It seems a little obnoxious to demand free service. Even if it was free before.

If it were more money he might have a better case. But given other platforms cost thousands of dollars (Sony's Playstation program for example) I don't see $375 as that much of a hardship.

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Are you joking? The top Facebook apps make more in a month than the top iPhone apps make in a lifetime. Even mid level apps, the sort that would never make the top 25 on iTunes, make more in a year than a top 10 paid app on iTunes does. Try Googling for Zynga Revenues. The Facebook platform is orders of magnitude more profitable than iPhone. Don't mistake buzz for profitability.

Thanks for the tip. I can't up vote you enough. Almost tempted to create new HN accounts just to up vote you.

Why all the downvotes? (I don't mind downvoted, just curious about an explaination).

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Thanks for the tip. I can't up vote you enough. Almost tempted to create new HN accounts just to up vote you.

Why all the downvotes? (I don't mind downvoted, just curious about an explaination).

I would guess for the notion of creating another HN account to sockpuppet/additionally up-rate someone.

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Thanks for the tip. I can't up vote you enough. Almost tempted to create new HN accounts just to up vote you.

Why all the downvotes? (I don't mind downvoted, just curious about an explaination).

Whenever I get downvotes, I stop to consider whether or not my comment has added to the conversation. If I think it has, and I can't figure out why I got downvoted, I just move on.

Of course now I re-read all my comments right after I post them, so I tend to delete quite a few before voting happens either way.

Re: Verified Extortion

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> Zynga Don't get me started on my Mafia Wars addiction.

The game that can be (and is) played by a script.

World of Warcraft can also be played by a script. That hasn't hurt it's profitability or popularity.

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Why is he complaining about Facebook when all the company did was respond to user complaints about apps that behaved badly? When thousands of people got daily invites to stupid apps, something had to be done. Regardless of whether facebook had ever announced the verified apps program, the new restrictions would make sense. When you develop for a young platform (particularly a proprietary one) you should realize it ma…

They didn't really do that at all. Open up your Facebook home page and take a look. Maybe you like knowing which 80's sitcom star each of your friends are, but for most people the platform has just gotten spammier over time.

The new restrictions certainly made sense when they took average apps from infinite invites per day down to 20. But dropping that 20 back to 12, then charging you to get back to 20 doesn't help users in any way.

Re: Verified Extortion

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post #5

Are people still making money from facebook apps these days? I thought it was over a while back (and thus why the mass exodus to develop on the iPhone although apple's approval process sucks.)

Straight-up ad network banners won't make much money, but incentivized apps can pull in some serious cash.

Actually, you'd be surprised on the banners too. They've gotten better. We've been seeing regular 50 cents eCPM from just 1 banner, and if we tried hard, we could probably work in another one or two without seriously degrading the user experience.

That adds up fast, since the platform makes it not too hard to get to hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of pageviews a day. 1m page views per day at 50 cents eCPM is still $182k per year. Not a bad second income stream.

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