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Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#11

Post by lostlogin »

rdl wrote: post #10
lancewiggs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China investment meant a preference for Chinese equipment/vendors, which in turn would mean getting a landing in the USA would be very hard, essentially impossible. The primary contract was signed with a US vendor, TE Subcom (actually HQ is in Switzerland for tax reasons), and whether the Chinese vendor could even do the job aside even from landing rights was a big question. Funding from any source never amounted to…

I still don't understand what legal justification the US has for making it hard to get landing rights in the USA just because you use Chinese equipment. If I ever have a spare $300mm or so, I know what I'm funding.

If there weren't any existing, it could make some. There are some very protectionist policies in the US and if you have the lobbying power you can get even more. That said, how many local industries aren't protected by their country's government? Some protection is good, but finding the balance can be a little tricky.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#12

Post by mappu »

lancewiggs wrote: post #9
mappu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the official line is that having investment from both China and the US was considered a dealbreaker by the US side, and since the US wouldn't fund it completely, the deal couldn't go through. Guess this explains why. I'm a resident but not anyone important, so clarifications welcome

China investment meant a preference for Chinese equipment/vendors, which in turn would mean getting a landing in the USA would be very hard, essentially impossible. The primary contract was signed with a US vendor, TE Subcom (actually HQ is in Switzerland for tax reasons), and whether the Chinese vendor could even do the job aside even from landing rights was a big question. Funding from any source never amounted to…

It's a pleasure to get a direct response from the source.

Thank you, for all the work you put in to get the project as far as it did.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#13

Post by lostlogin »

aunty_helen wrote: post #5

This wouldn't happen under a Labour led government... 2006 oh shi..

Clarke wasn't perfect, but Key's willingness to stoop to any level for the rich or powerful is shameless. Pandering to the US (Afghanistan, Dotcom), Sky city deal, Power company sell off and directors massive pay bumps, Kiwi rail shares owned by the PM whist the future of Kiwi rail hangs in the balance, bailing out Rio Tinto last week. How many dozen have I missed?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1305/S00195/skycity-hits-ja... http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&obj...

http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-lied-about-ownership-of-Tranz-Rai...

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&obj...

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#14

Post by lostlogin »

lancewiggs wrote: post #9
mappu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the official line is that having investment from both China and the US was considered a dealbreaker by the US side, and since the US wouldn't fund it completely, the deal couldn't go through. Guess this explains why. I'm a resident but not anyone important, so clarifications welcome

China investment meant a preference for Chinese equipment/vendors, which in turn would mean getting a landing in the USA would be very hard, essentially impossible. The primary contract was signed with a US vendor, TE Subcom (actually HQ is in Switzerland for tax reasons), and whether the Chinese vendor could even do the job aside even from landing rights was a big question. Funding from any source never amounted to…

Thanks for commenting. It's good people like you are trying in NZ. I have mentioned to various ISPs in NZ that if they can provide a connection of any speed that is reasonable, I'll pay lots for it. Even 10Mb would have me pay probably 3x what we pay now. No ISP that I have found will provide a connection north of about 3-5Mb. 4 different properties all in Auckland. The business centre of the country has things this bad and I can help improve it as far as I can tell.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#15

Post by mappu »

lostlogin wrote: post #14
lancewiggs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China investment meant a preference for Chinese equipment/vendors, which in turn would mean getting a landing in the USA would be very hard, essentially impossible. The primary contract was signed with a US vendor, TE Subcom (actually HQ is in Switzerland for tax reasons), and whether the Chinese vendor could even do the job aside even from landing rights was a big question. Funding from any source never amounted to…

Thanks for commenting. It's good people like you are trying in NZ. I have mentioned to various ISPs in NZ that if they can provide a connection of any speed that is reasonable, I'll pay lots for it. Even 10Mb would have me pay probably 3x what we pay now. No ISP that I have found will provide a connection north of about 3-5Mb. 4 different properties all in Auckland. The business centre of the country has things this…

NZ internet isn't quite google fiber, but it's gotten a lot better recently with VDSL2 and residential UFB. Are you looking for a business line with dedicated / 99th percentile bandwidth, or a residential connection?

At least Snap and Telecom offer VDSL2 (and surely everyone else must be about to start), I get a constant 40/10 with a good-sized cap for a reasonable price in my small Christchurch suburb.

Slingshot offer a passable unmetered ADSL2+ pretty cheaply if that's your poison. Telstra's 100mbit cable service is also reasonably cheap and worth considering if you're in a supported area.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

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Post by lostlogin »

mappu wrote: post #15
lostlogin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for commenting. It's good people like you are trying in NZ. I have mentioned to various ISPs in NZ that if they can provide a connection of any speed that is reasonable, I'll pay lots for it. Even 10Mb would have me pay probably 3x what we pay now. No ISP that I have found will provide a connection north of about 3-5Mb. 4 different properties all in Auckland. The business centre of the country has things this…

NZ internet isn't quite google fiber, but it's gotten a lot better recently with VDSL2 and residential UFB. Are you looking for a business line with dedicated / 99th percentile bandwidth, or a residential connection? At least Snap and Telecom offer VDSL2 (and surely everyone else must be about to start), I get a constant 40/10 with a good-sized cap for a reasonable price in my small Christchurch suburb. Slingshot off…

Residential. I'd take a tenth that speed in a heartbeat. No provider can provide anything better than crap anywhere I have ever lived. The lines on the street have always been too rubbish to support anything good. I know people who get about 10Mb but have never knowingly met an Aucklander who gets more than that currently I max out at about 3. It's so very bad.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#17

Post by phyalow »

lostlogin wrote: post #16
mappu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NZ internet isn't quite google fiber, but it's gotten a lot better recently with VDSL2 and residential UFB. Are you looking for a business line with dedicated / 99th percentile bandwidth, or a residential connection? At least Snap and Telecom offer VDSL2 (and surely everyone else must be about to start), I get a constant 40/10 with a good-sized cap for a reasonable price in my small Christchurch suburb. Slingshot off…

Residential. I'd take a tenth that speed in a heartbeat. No provider can provide anything better than crap anywhere I have ever lived. The lines on the street have always been too rubbish to support anything good. I know people who get about 10Mb but have never knowingly met an Aucklander who gets more than that currently I max out at about 3. It's so very bad.

I'm in Auckland and consistently get upwards of the speeds you mention (15-20 Mbps Telecom).

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#18

Post by navs »

mappu wrote: post #15
lostlogin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for commenting. It's good people like you are trying in NZ. I have mentioned to various ISPs in NZ that if they can provide a connection of any speed that is reasonable, I'll pay lots for it. Even 10Mb would have me pay probably 3x what we pay now. No ISP that I have found will provide a connection north of about 3-5Mb. 4 different properties all in Auckland. The business centre of the country has things this…

NZ internet isn't quite google fiber, but it's gotten a lot better recently with VDSL2 and residential UFB. Are you looking for a business line with dedicated / 99th percentile bandwidth, or a residential connection? At least Snap and Telecom offer VDSL2 (and surely everyone else must be about to start), I get a constant 40/10 with a good-sized cap for a reasonable price in my small Christchurch suburb. Slingshot off…

This might be a good time to ask. I'm currently with a Vodafone fixed line. 1Mb would be the best I get on a good day and those are hard to come by. We're a small little business so we can't afford anything too exorbitant. Auckland based. I have a residential line with Slingshot and not a fan. How's your interactions with Snap and Telecom support?

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

#19

Post by aunty_helen »

lostlogin wrote: post #13
aunty_helen wrote: post #5

This wouldn't happen under a Labour led government... 2006 oh shi..

Clarke wasn't perfect, but Key's willingness to stoop to any level for the rich or powerful is shameless. Pandering to the US (Afghanistan, Dotcom), Sky city deal, Power company sell off and directors massive pay bumps, Kiwi rail shares owned by the PM whist the future of Kiwi rail hangs in the balance, bailing out Rio Tinto last week. How many dozen have I missed? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1305/S00195/skycity…

Anti-sea protest laws at the request of Royal Dutch Shell, 3 strikes law prototyped for the US and the attempted inclusion of software patents at the request of IBM and MS to name but a few. And most obviously the GCSB law change.

Re: Spy access to NZ used as bargaining tool

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Post by steveh73 »

lostlogin wrote: post #16
mappu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NZ internet isn't quite google fiber, but it's gotten a lot better recently with VDSL2 and residential UFB. Are you looking for a business line with dedicated / 99th percentile bandwidth, or a residential connection? At least Snap and Telecom offer VDSL2 (and surely everyone else must be about to start), I get a constant 40/10 with a good-sized cap for a reasonable price in my small Christchurch suburb. Slingshot off…

Residential. I'd take a tenth that speed in a heartbeat. No provider can provide anything better than crap anywhere I have ever lived. The lines on the street have always been too rubbish to support anything good. I know people who get about 10Mb but have never knowingly met an Aucklander who gets more than that currently I max out at about 3. It's so very bad.

I get 10-12mbit pretty consistently on unmetered ADSL2, and did at the last two places I lived as well. The couple of people I know with VDSL get 30-40mbit. A couple of others with UFB get the full 100mbit. Perhaps you're just really unlucky. This is all across auckland with telecom, vodafone, slingslot, orcon.
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