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The Massachusetts Software Tax

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Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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It's a great way to drive that particular business out of the state. If they apply this tax towards STEM education, then the benefit might be worth it.

You understand that if it drives the business out of state, there is no benefit, no upside. There is no money to go towards STEM, and if the states general economy goes down over it -- it is a net-negative on STEM.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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post #9

Wow, so if I run a SaaS from, say, the Netherlands, I'm going to have to pay Massachusetts some kind of extra income tax? What if I don't even know where my customers reside? The US just became a little more EU. Congratulations! EDIT: I meant 'import tax' where I wrote 'income tax'. Sorry for the confusion.

It only applies if your company has a physical presence in Massachusetts (shop or office). State taxation is the same reason Amazon avoid putting warehouses in certain states, since it means they have to start collecting sales tax on everyone in that state. As long as they stay out of the state and do all their dealing across borders, they're don't have to collect the sales tax.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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post #9

Wow, so if I run a SaaS from, say, the Netherlands, I'm going to have to pay Massachusetts some kind of extra income tax? What if I don't even know where my customers reside? The US just became a little more EU. Congratulations! EDIT: I meant 'import tax' where I wrote 'income tax'. Sorry for the confusion.

It's not an income tax, it doesn't apply to hosted services, and it doesn't apply to companies not doing any business in Massachusetts.

The people this impacts are those currently consulting for MA clients in a capacity that was not considered software sales previously, but now might be. For example, if you sold an analytics package in boxed software, that was always clearly a "sale" and is unchanged. But if your business is based around, for example, having a free SaaS analytics service, along with an offer that enterprise clients can pay you to get a self-hosted version installed on their own servers, that has typically been treated as consulting in MA, but is being reclassified as selling software. The theory is that you are basically selling software (a copy of the analytics package), not really consulting, and the fact that you didn't put it in a box with a bar code is irrelevant. The complaints are largely based around the vagueness of the definitions and the short notice of implementation.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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MA resident. The biggest problem with this is the timing: tell us in July that it goes into effect on January 1, we can deal. Tell us it goes into effect in a week? Hah.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

#17

It's a great way to drive that particular business out of the state. If they apply this tax towards STEM education, then the benefit might be worth it.

You understand that if it drives the business out of state, there is no benefit, no upside. There is no money to go towards STEM, and if the states general economy goes down over it -- it is a net-negative on STEM.

I was just pointing out: if they had no choice, then apply it towards growth instead of some sinkhole project.

But yes, it is a net negative....I just don't understand why they would do this. They should be offering incentives to stay there. This is a self-invoked brain drain.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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Unfortunately Mass. has unfunded pension liabilities exceeding $20 billion (not including municipalities), and unfunded health care liabilities exceeding $45 billion (including municipalities. At the same time, states will have to deal with the new normal, which is lower economic growth indefinitely and lower returns on invested assets.

As a result, states will ratchet up taxes to cover their increasingly untenable budgets, as we've seen in Illinois (which recently almost doubled its state income tax) and Mass.

My guess is that this process will accelerate the internal migratory trends that are already in place. E.g. Nebraska, which banned defined-benefit pensions in the 1960's is sitting pretty with $43 of unfunded liabilities per person. Relevant to tech, the following states have big research universities (and thus a supply of educated workers) and also relatively manageable unfunded liabilities: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, and North Carolina: http://www.nasra.org/resources/Moodys1101.pdf.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

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post #6

This is going to increasingly become common esp as governments try to cover budget gaps. We just went through a sales tax audit for our SaaS company and so are expecting a good size bill for taxes not paid + penalties. Yes - fun stuff. Honestly, the gov't folks are playing whack-a-mole here trying to keep up with fast-growing areas that don't fit the old "you sell this widget for $X" model they're used to. And so the…

SaaS was certainly not "free of tax" before this - businesses pay state income tax and developers who created the service pay state income tax. Now any Massachusetts based SaaS is at a 6.25% price disadvantage to an out of state business.

Re: The Massachusetts Software Tax

#20

This is surely one of the most irresponsible pieces of legslation nywhere this decade.

They should create a tax for lawyers. They are far less productive than engineers -- all they do is argue all day and not create anything of value.

Tax politicians, they are completely useless.
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