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Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

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Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

#11

Same as reported here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6167331 Interesting to see the Guardian newspaper quoting someone from Hacker News. Same is also true of Firefox - find the right path through the menu structure (different for each version) and reveal all your passwords. Simple enough.

> Interesting to see the Guardian newspaper quoting someone from Hacker News. He isn't just some random commenter though, he is the tech lead of browser security (according to his comment, which I'm guessing The Guardian didn't actually verify :D)

Justin is actually the Chrome security lead. He's also one of the authors of The Art Of Software Security Assessment, and someone with god-knows how many years experience in vulnerability research.

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

#12
i don't get it. how is Chrome's handling different from Thunderbird's or Firefox's? they too have the exact same functionalities accessible to anyone sitting at the computer without extra security measures: Options > Security > Saved Passwords > Show Passwords

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

#13
post #10

This is embarrassing. What The Guardian (and, earlier, HN) is describing simply isn't a security flaw; rather, HN appears to have had a mild temper tantrum over the lack of a cosmetic "security" feature that, had Chrome implemented it, could have just as easily led to another temper tantrum over how easy it is to bypass.

Amen to that.

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

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post #7

Why is Chrome named as the "bad guy"? If anything, Chrome reveals the issue, by showing just how accessible browser-saved passwords are in the first place. Do you think that it's impossible for malware to retrieve passwords from IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera? Just how is it possible to import the passwords from these applications, then? This is not a security flaw. Comparing browser password storage to a safe is mild…

>Do you think that it's impossible for malware to retrieve passwords from IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera? Just how is it possible to import the passwords from these applications, then?

It actually is impossible for malware to instantly send off all of your saved passwords if you're using Firefox and have a (reasonably decent) master key set up. I assume Opera has a similar master key option. The keyword however is "instantly."

Now, the malware can and will still of course modify HTML on the fly and steal your passwords immediately after you login to websites, but it would probably take quite a bit of time for it to collect nearly as many passwords as there are stored in your browser's password vault, especially if you use websites that don't require you to re-login very often. And the longer that time window is, the higher the chance the malware will be detected either by odd computer behavior, or an AV detection.

They can also set up a keylogger and wait for you to input your master password at some point. It can sometimes be hard to determine what logged text is actually the master pass, due to how many keyloggers work, but this is of course a viable option.

All-in-all, master passwords do in fact hinder attackers. The first thing many malware spreaders do is dump browser and other saved credentials (often FTP, sometimes IM accounts so they can spam malicious links to contact lists); it's often a quick "in-and-out" dumping process. It's not uncommon for malware to successfully execute and exfiltrate some data as soon as it's loaded, but later as it infects other files or drops additional payloads, AV will fire and the user will try to clean up the machine.

And then there are the very simple cases of "friend/acquaintance uses computer, looks at your passwords really quickly, memorizes a few, goes home and screws with your accounts at a later time." Master passwords make that sort of situation fairly impossible.

I really do not personally see why Chrome doesn't allow master passwords as an option. It would not be a security silver bullet, but it does help.

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

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post #7

Why is Chrome named as the "bad guy"? If anything, Chrome reveals the issue, by showing just how accessible browser-saved passwords are in the first place. Do you think that it's impossible for malware to retrieve passwords from IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera? Just how is it possible to import the passwords from these applications, then? This is not a security flaw. Comparing browser password storage to a safe is mild…

Chrome is the browser that auto updates with no user interaction, checks against website blacklists to protect you, and has an entire OS built around the concept of a hassle-free, locked-down, auto-maintained, disk-encrypted, usage.

Chrome is designed for the layman.

Does it warn you that your passwords are effortlessly stolen by anyone that can access your computer? No.

Does it warn you they're at least not encrypted? No.

Do you think the average Chrome user knows this?

Do you think the average user understands computer security like us IT professionals?

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

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post #7

Why is Chrome named as the "bad guy"? If anything, Chrome reveals the issue, by showing just how accessible browser-saved passwords are in the first place. Do you think that it's impossible for malware to retrieve passwords from IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera? Just how is it possible to import the passwords from these applications, then? This is not a security flaw. Comparing browser password storage to a safe is mild…

>Do you think that it's impossible for malware to retrieve passwords from IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera? Just how is it possible to import the passwords from these applications, then? It actually is impossible for malware to instantly send off all of your saved passwords if you're using Firefox and have a (reasonably decent) master key set up. I assume Opera has a similar master key option. The keyword however is "in…

Easier way would be to just wait for the user to enter the master key and then decrypt the passwords.

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

#19
I think Chrome's implementation of security is flawed. If you stop thinking about this security as being a switch which is on or off and instead as a granular scale then you'll agree that Chrome's password handling is as low on that scale as possible. Now just so you know, I'm agreeing that Chrome can't fully lock down your passwords and I'm OK with the reasons why (convenience), but their doing something wrong here, they're not looking at the in-between.

The difference I see is if my spouse or boss wanted to look at my passwords they could, easily. I'm not OK with that. Now, tell me they have to install a trojan, a virus or some other software first to get access to my passwords and thats a level of safety which stops my boss. My boss won't have the technical know how to do it. My spouse could be looking just out of curiosity, the smallest roadblock would stop them. Chrome's implementation makes it easy for anyone to see passwords and that's just wrong!

The length of time anyone will have access to an unsupervised machine plays a role here. It shouldn't take 5 seconds of pointing and clicking that my gran could do to reveal all my passwords. It should take someone more effort!

Re: Google Chrome security flaw offers unrestricted password access

#20
My OSX chrome definitely stores passwords in OSX Keychain Manager. Is that like a special setting or plugin I activated and forgot, not just what it always does on OSX? Or wait, am I somehow wrong? It sure looks like it's storing passwords in keychain manager, in that all of my website passwords are there in keychain manager.
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