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Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…

I can really only think of one good reason to pick another Midwest city over Chicago: tech culture. Many of these startups here in Chicago seem to lack strong technical co-founders.

A significant minority of startups in Chicago just feel like a grind to get an exit and as a developer you're basically given the minimal amount of resources and asked to work the maximum amount of time achieve that goal. All the while some dude (it's usually a dude) is breathing down your neck asking you why isn't their vaguely specified, poorly thought-out product done yet- "Shouldn't this just be a simple 'if' statement?" (An 'if' statement! Of course! Thanks for being my muse, boss.)

You see a lot of entrepreneurs here who come from big consulting groups that don't really "get" tech and barely even grasp startups. They're kinda like tourists - they know there's a ton of opportunity in the sector, they're willing to take the risk to capitalize on it, but there's no real passion for technology. If it all goes bust they'll just go back to their old job at Accenture or wherever and use their brief foray as an entrepreneur as a feather in their cap as they climb the corporate ladder.

The effect of all this is that it tends to drive more technically-minded entrepreneurs or more hardcore dedicated biz types to take their businesses outside the city to places like SF, Austin and NYC. It also prevents us from drawing in people from Wisconsin and Michigan. What we're left with are a bunch of suits trying to bro-it-up with a startup until they finally surrender the last of their adolescence and go back to working for someone else.

and...Whew, rant over. That's the only reason I can think of why you'd do something in Detroit instead of Chicago.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…

>> It's definitely possible that Midwest professionals would like the choice of staying in the Midwest, but how likely is it they'll pick Detroit over Chicago? Forget about Chicago - why would anyone pick Detroit over, nearby Ann Arbor?

Shorter commute to West Bloomfield? /s

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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NYC almost went bankrupt back in the 70's. It took a long time and a strong leadership to bring it back to where it stands now. Granted Detroit does not have the population size of NYC but with strong leadership they can rebound. Well see if it happens. My bro in law lives near there and sells RE for a living. Said he feels optimistic that if Detroit cuts down on the city boundaries and focuses on areas of growth and…

Detroit hasn't had 'strong leadership' for a while though. Mostly people that care about using public funds to prop up their friends/family with jobs.

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…

I can really only think of one good reason to pick another Midwest city over Chicago: tech culture. Many of these startups here in Chicago seem to lack strong technical co-founders. A significant minority of startups in Chicago just feel like a grind to get an exit and as a developer you're basically given the minimal amount of resources and asked to work the maximum amount of time achieve that goal. All the while so…

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Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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It's hard to square these quotes:

> SILICON VALLEY IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE IF YOU'RE IN THE 1% OF TECH STARTUPS. BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE OTHER 99%, YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME TRYING TO FIND TALENT, AND NOT ENOUGH BUILDING A BUSINESS

> Detroit has just 11,000 young professionals between 25 and 34 who hold at least a bachelor's degree

Or is it "once we convince people to move here and work with us, they're trapped"?

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Anyone who lives or works there is a fool. I grew up there, and lived downtown for years before wising up. Have a medical emergency and call 911? You're lucky if an ambulance shows up within an hour, if at all. I've been robbed at gunpoint enough times for one lifetime. I'm tired of having to pick up my .45 as the first thing I do after landing at the airport and getting my rental car. Tell me how cheap rent has to b…

FUD. This is total nonsense. I've lived in and around Detroit for the greater part of my life. I've even lived in the Bay Area for a couple years. There have been tremendous strides to turn this city around even in the last 5 years. I don't live in the city now, but I do work downtown every day in the Ren Cen. Even in the last year alone, I've noticed things pick up in the downtown area. I'm glad you took your cranky…

Agree with you, the city is turning around. There's a spirit that wasn't there eighteen months ago. There's a vibrant and growing tech community. If you're not there its easy to miss it with the constant bombardment by the national media of what's called locally 'ruin porn'.

A group of us is having a civic hackathon this fall at the M@dison Oct 4-5 to celebrate the state's release of open API's for five themes: jobs, tourism, safety, veterans and foster kids.

If you want to see the real Detroit please join us:

http://www.codemichigan.com

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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There's not a lot of substance in the OP to back the claim "its Tech Community Is Going Strong"...and a lot of the individual assumptions/assertions made by the OP are kind of strange... > By some estimates, the city owes as much as $20 billion. But the news is unlikely to halt the growth of Detroit's burgeoning tech scene, according to some of its entrepreneurs. "according to some of its entrepreneurs"....if this is…

>> It's definitely possible that Midwest professionals would like the choice of staying in the Midwest, but how likely is it they'll pick Detroit over Chicago? Forget about Chicago - why would anyone pick Detroit over, nearby Ann Arbor?

Seriously, can anyone in the Ann Arbor area speak up on this? My family and I have been mulling over a move from North Jersey back to MI for a while, and I know there is a tech scene there, but what's it like?

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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I'd like to say the good people of Manchester (UK) got through something very similar in the XX century, and have been on the up ever since 1992, when the IRA demolished half the rotting city centre and unwittingly kickstarted a ground-zero regeneration campaign that's been wildly successful.

Maybe Detroit needs a similar "let's get our shit together" turning point; maybe it's already happened and we just don't know yet. It's clear that local geeks have produced positive media coverage for quite some time now (I'm sure I've seen quite a few features on this "Detroit rebirth" in the last 24 months).

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Some of the comments are grossly exaggerated and don't really apply to the epicenter of Detroit where alot of the innovation/change is occurring. I grew up and lived around the Detroit area for 20+ years and I wholeheartedly agree with the article discussing the growing tech community in downtown Detroit. I now live in the Bay Area and the two definitely can't compare, but to make widely exaggerated statements about the living situation there just goes to show how different perception is from reality.

Over the past few years, private investors have begun trying to make big changes in Detroit. These are big name guys like Dan Gilbert (Detroit Venture Partners) and Bill Ford (Fontinalis). Each have started VCs that have made heavy investments to help Detroit's tech community grow. The Madison building as discussed in the article only popped up in the recent years, supported by DVP.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the entire Detroit metro/city area. The area that is on the up and coming is the area from Grand Circus Park up through Woodward right up to the Quicken Loans building. In the recent few years, Dan Gilbert along with other private investors has been buying up properties and renovating buildings. Practically every building in this 1 mile stretch is now owned by Dan Gilbert and is in the processed of being renovated and used by companies. For example, right next to the Madison Building, Detroit Labs has moved in.

You can see some of the vision for the future of Detroit right here:

http://blog.thedetroithub.com/2013/03/28/look-dan-gilbert-la...

Not only that but there is a stronger young professional population in this area. In the past 2 years, huge buildings like the Broderick Tower (http://brodericktower.com/) have been completely redone and turned into apartment buildings. These buildings are FULLY booked and are filled with young professionals.

From a security and safety perspective, Detroit isn't the safest city but isn't as bad as some people may suggest. The stretch down Woodward is actually VERY safe. In the past two years, there has been outdoor security cameras installed EVERY single block all the way up to Quicken Loans building. Dan Gilbert has hired private security contractors who monitor these cameras 24/7. In fact, I'd argue that strip of downtown is safer then MANY cities. As a whole, the outskirts and further away from Downtown is a different story (near Wayne State, etc.). This article is focused on the change happening downtown, not the entire city. It's going to be a many years coming to but for someone having grown up close to Detroit, it's crazy to see the level of change happening in the past 2-3 years compared to the previous 10 years...and it's all starting in this 4-6 block section in Downtown.

While Detroit isn't going to be the next SV or even NYC tech scene, to deny that there's change happening would just be ignorant. Even though Detroit as a city is going bankrupt, I cheer on the people who are there and working hard to make it a city they would be proud to call home. I encourage you guys just to check it out if you have the time. If you go to that section between Woodward and Grand Circus Park, you'll see that that lunch hours are PACKED with people and over the weekends when events are happening the city is bustling with life and energy.

Don't like the FUD get to you and get out to see the real picture!

Re: Detroit Is Going Bankrupt, But Its Tech Community Is Going Strong

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Anyone who lives or works there is a fool. I grew up there, and lived downtown for years before wising up. Have a medical emergency and call 911? You're lucky if an ambulance shows up within an hour, if at all. I've been robbed at gunpoint enough times for one lifetime. I'm tired of having to pick up my .45 as the first thing I do after landing at the airport and getting my rental car. Tell me how cheap rent has to b…

I've only been in Detroit proper a few times, but this all comports with the general impression of a complete hellhole. Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking.

>Hard to image a tech community "thriving" when basic city services and personal safety are so lacking.

when you're young, your hormones is off the chart, you have several people like you around - you're thriving and you don't need basic city services like police coming to quiet down your party, and "personal safety" is for old, like 30ish - 40ish folks.

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