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19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by im_dario »

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

Your idea is very similar to Wombat Voting: http://www.wombat-voting.com/

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Post by speeder »

DaviNunes wrote: post #8

Secureness of Brazilian voting system has been contested many times. There are "The Alagoas case" which the candidate Joao Lyra requested a recount because he found out 1/3 of the ballots contained incorrect data and then asked for an audit, the court demanded 2 million for this audition, Joao Lyra then asked the the court itself to pay for it, since it would be in its interest to demonstrate the fairness of the proc…

There is newer.cases, like a guy that took his family.to vote.for him, and claims he voted.on himself.and still.ended with zero.votes. He sued.TSE but the reply was that he probably typed wrong and confirmed.a.wrong person.

Since there is no per vote paper ballot, it.is.his.word.against the judge word, so guess who win.

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Post by diego_moita »

The real issue here is not if voting machines are the perfect solution, it is about what is the better solution. And if anyone knows voter fraud in Brazil, these machines are a lot better than the manual system. At least it demands the people committing the fraud to be a lot smarter than they used to be in manual counting.

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Post by sanoli »

There used to be a separate printer attached to the voting machines, which would print each individual vote, in the presence of the voter, and would automatically go into a ballot, and it would be used in case there was an allegation of fraud. They of course did the dumb thing and did away with the printer, now they only have printouts of the total votes after the session is done and the machines are about to leave the place. From Wikipedia: "The 2002 version had a printer module that printed each vote, but the printed vote was abandond after Law 10.740/2003 and should only be reintroduced in 2014, according to Article 5 of Law 12.034/2009"

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Post by swah »

jturolla wrote: post #6
swah wrote: post #2

Interesting how the "TRE" (entity responsible for the voting process) keeps stating the system is safe.

Interesting how people believe in completely random and untrusted sources.

http://www.viomundo.com.br/denuncias/amilcar-brunazo-ridicul...

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Post by sanoli »

aylons wrote: post #9
DaviNunes wrote: post #8

Secureness of Brazilian voting system has been contested many times. There are "The Alagoas case" which the candidate Joao Lyra requested a recount because he found out 1/3 of the ballots contained incorrect data and then asked for an audit, the court demanded 2 million for this audition, Joao Lyra then asked the the court itself to pay for it, since it would be in its interest to demonstrate the fairness of the proc…

> It's true, our eletronic ballot prints the report but there is no way to check if the sum of digital records are the same as the printed reports Yes, there is: you can check the electronic records online and compare it against the printed reports. The other allegations are surely important to the voting transparency discussion, but are not related to the allegations on the OP.

The problem is, if you vote for candidate X, there's no way of checking if your vote was really computed or tampered with by the machine. The report will print something like 'candidate X = so many votes', but beyond that you can't know if that number was altered. If you had individual printouts on a ballot along with the electronic vote, you could have the ballot counted, and know. What if some wacko starts claiming he accessed 50 voting machines and altered to switch 20% of votes for cadidate X into votes for candidate Y, as the votes are being cast? How do you check?

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by gamegoblin »

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

I don't know about other voting machines, but the ones here in Northwest Arkansas had a receipt of your vote behind plexiglass that you could watch print out as you made your selections. Pretty similar to what you suggest, except that I don't believe they use the paper for anything unless their is worry of fraud.
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