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U.S. spied on millions of e-mails and calls of Brazilians

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Is this a new leak? Or have the Brazilian docs been surfaced before? How many countries do we have to make enemies of before we can start talking impeachment?

It's a new leak, but it's not in any way surprising, the NSA is not subject to impeachment, and neither is the ex-president who authorized the apparent dramatic expansion of their spying.

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Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

I am not sure if an average Brazilian thinks of themselves as a "foreign power". Would you be happy to have the government of a random country, say Russia, Brazil, Albania or whereever, reading your emails?

Exactly!

Holy fark! its simply mind boggling that anyone can be ok with the level of spying we are seeing.

The thing is that they are simply too farking comfortable to see how bad this is.

I farking HATE the fact that there is an easy statement of " 'well, American Idol is on..' " -- and to see that it is true.

The war is on the minds of Man. There is and has been a centuries long war on your ability to discern.

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Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

This is one of the reactions that always comes out on this kind of story. Yes, the department of killer zombies is just doing its job, eating peoples' brains. But I'm starting to think maybe we shouldn't have a department of killer zombies.

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Greenwald's english synopsis: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/07/nsa-braz... It's interesting to see him strategically releasing these stories to maximize impact of the information. While I'm sure Latin American leaders knew of or at least suspected NSA spying, seeing confirmation in such a revealing way must certainly strengthen their resolve to stand up to the US "treating them as colonies," which…

It used to be understood that in principle intelligence agencies would generally respect the law of friendly nations, and quietly and discretely brake the law in case national security was at stake.

It is and always will be a gray area.

But wherever that grey area ends, the mass violations of the civil rights of millions of citizens of friendly nations is so far in the black I'm constantly surprised people even bring up the question.

This isn't even about where the unwritten boundaries of intelligence gathering are. Those have been well and truly crossed when you start violating the civil rights of millions of innocents.

The grey area the NSA has crossed into is the one marked "hostile acts of aggression".

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Article also states that the Brazilians are the most monitored nation in Latin America. Given that other countries in Latin America has showed far less "cooperative" with the US in the past, this took me by surprise. Maybe it's also oil related since the discovery of a humongous pre-salt layer[1] might be of interest to US?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-salt_layer

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Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

If the Americans were spying on foreign powers, or even my country's politicians I really would not be surprised.

For some reason they appear to be spying on me, specifically.

I do find that surprising, yes. Shocking, even.

Scary, certainly. What will they do if I say something they don't like? How will I know? Who is deciding whether what I am saying is acceptable?

Because I am against this spying, have the Americans started monitoring me more carefully? Will they contact my government for more information?

My job is contractor to a local business that receives a lot of business from my government. Could that be affected by my private communications? One of my friends is a bit of an anti US nut. Will my communications with him put me at greater risk?

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Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

Isn't this what the NPTA was started for anyway?

What is the surprise here? "Agency created to torture puppies is torturing puppies"... really?

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