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US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Post by bengillies »

smalltalk wrote: post #8
transfire wrote: post #4

On the 4th of this July the fireworks appeared as tears falling from our skies spirit sinking with the fading twinkle On this 4th of July the fireworks could be heard bombs bursting against nerves and conscious in this land that has become so large in view so small in vision nothing but the feared and the fearing

No. Can we please stop this adolescent drama? If you think there's a better country, please, leave the US and go there. Do the rest of us a favor.

It's perfectly reasonable to enjoy most of the things about a country and still find issues with it. It's also perfectly reasonable to question and complain about stuff when you think it's wrong. Not doing that, putting your fingers in your ears and running away is arguably the worse crime.

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Post by sgift »

smalltalk wrote: post #8
transfire wrote: post #4

On the 4th of this July the fireworks appeared as tears falling from our skies spirit sinking with the fading twinkle On this 4th of July the fireworks could be heard bombs bursting against nerves and conscious in this land that has become so large in view so small in vision nothing but the feared and the fearing

No. Can we please stop this adolescent drama? If you think there's a better country, please, leave the US and go there. Do the rest of us a favor.

Sounds like a Brit talking to colonists in the New England Colonies: You don't like it here? Go away!

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Post by dspillett »

smalltalk wrote: post #8
transfire wrote: post #4

On the 4th of this July the fireworks appeared as tears falling from our skies spirit sinking with the fading twinkle On this 4th of July the fireworks could be heard bombs bursting against nerves and conscious in this land that has become so large in view so small in vision nothing but the feared and the fearing

No. Can we please stop this adolescent drama? If you think there's a better country, please, leave the US and go there. Do the rest of us a favor.

Just because other countries do bad things, it doesn't mean that you should put up with your representatives doing the same bad things (and blatantly lying to you about them).

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Post by justincormack »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #3

>> "if he travelled via Shannon as part of his efforts to get to Cuba and was arrested under the provisional arrest warrant pending an extradition process by the American authorities in the Irish courts, he could apply for asylum while being held in prison here." An interesting prospect but incredibly unlikely.

Non extradition due to death penalty might work anywhere in Europe. It might not if US says it won't execute Snowden (if they lie, then no one will ever be extradited on that basis again, as that would be illegal from then on).

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Post by nicholassmith »

There was a funny line in The Social Network that went:

`Like my brother and I are in skeleton costumes chasing the Karate Kid around a gym.`

That's kind of what America looks like. Snowden has all these mighty military secrets, but at the end of the day they just look like school bullies who want to smack him around. What Snowden did is without a doubt a crime, but one that seems like it was necessary, and should be easy to resolve. The longer this draws on the more America looks like a misguided bully, forcing weaker kids to pick on the nerd. It doesn't help that the mood seems to be to string him up as a traitor in war time.

Edit: 'easy to resolve' sounds flippant, but it's being turned into the biggest manhunt on a global stage since Bin Laden.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Post by [deleted] »

nicholassmith wrote: post #16

There was a funny line in The Social Network that went: `Like my brother and I are in skeleton costumes chasing the Karate Kid around a gym.` That's kind of what America looks like. Snowden has all these mighty military secrets, but at the end of the day they just look like school bullies who want to smack him around. What Snowden did is without a doubt a crime, but one that seems like it was necessary, and should be…

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Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Post by mikeash »

wwhitman wrote: post #6

This made me think of a court case a few years back. The defendant was arrested for shooting a potato cannon (PVC pipe, BBQ grill lighter and hairspray for propellant). When the charges were read as using a dangerous weapon the defendant's lawyer replied that if a potato were a dangerous weapon then Ireland would be a superpower.

That's rather stupid. Generally, it is not the bullet that is considered to be the dangerous weapon, but the gun which fires it.

If the lawyer thinks a high-speed potato can't kill somebody, I suggest he go give it a shot (pun intended) and see what happens.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Post by mikeash »

smalltalk wrote: post #8
transfire wrote: post #4

On the 4th of this July the fireworks appeared as tears falling from our skies spirit sinking with the fading twinkle On this 4th of July the fireworks could be heard bombs bursting against nerves and conscious in this land that has become so large in view so small in vision nothing but the feared and the fearing

No. Can we please stop this adolescent drama? If you think there's a better country, please, leave the US and go there. Do the rest of us a favor.

If you don't like drama, why don't you leave for a country which doesn't have it?

This idiotic suggestion cuts both ways.

Re: US sends pre-emptive warrant to Ireland to stop Snowden flight refuelling there

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Post by tomelders »

hopeless wrote: post #5

Our (Irish) politicians have run away from lots of hard decisions recently but I really wish they'd have the balls (population, economy, armed forces) to tell the US government to fuck off occasionally.

The Irish probably could tell the states to "feck off" and have the backing of the US public. What with every american clinging on like spider monkeys to the last few remaining irish genes in their gene pool.
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