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Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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I primarily use Sublime, TextMate or Komodo on Mac for python dev but would love to also use VS. I do run windows and do most dev on that under VS. Maybe one day VS will come to Mac, I know that doesn't follow the platform mission but would get some good traction for Visual Studio going forward and a little fire under Xcode for C/C++ dev on Mac. At this point both XCode and VS are pretty equal but XCode I also like a…

One thing that drives me nuts in Xcode as opposed to VS is that the autocomplete only completes when you hit tab. I want it to compete when I hit a period or a space too like it does in VS! Considering you find them both basically equal, have you found a workaround for this or is it just not frustrating to you?

Unfortunately no, just have to deal. Some use "CTRL + SPACE" or ESC or "CTRL + ," but it still doesn't do it very smart. VS autocomplete is still smarter and quicker it seems. I do like the greying auto complete of XCode as you type as sometimes the drop down gets in the way.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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I primarily use Sublime, TextMate or Komodo on Mac for python dev but would love to also use VS. I do run windows and do most dev on that under VS. Maybe one day VS will come to Mac, I know that doesn't follow the platform mission but would get some good traction for Visual Studio going forward and a little fire under Xcode for C/C++ dev on Mac. At this point both XCode and VS are pretty equal but XCode I also like a…

Try PyCharm. It works on Mac and Windows and is miles ahead of XCode for Python.

Haven't tried it yet, might give it a try. The debugging looks cool and even Guido seems to think it has some benefits: https://profiles.google.com/115212051037621986145/buzz/CGh9M... - note he mentions painful SCM integration, as usual in IDEs that just doesn't work well. SCM support I usually turn off as it adds iteration lag typically. Prefer the scm tools directly almost always.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that drives me nuts in Xcode as opposed to VS is that the autocomplete only completes when you hit tab. I want it to compete when I hit a period or a space too like it does in VS! Considering you find them both basically equal, have you found a workaround for this or is it just not frustrating to you?

Unfortunately no, just have to deal. Some use "CTRL + SPACE" or ESC or "CTRL + ," but it still doesn't do it very smart. VS autocomplete is still smarter and quicker it seems. I do like the greying auto complete of XCode as you type as sometimes the drop down gets in the way.

Got ya. BTW - in Visual Studio if you hold down control while the autocomplete is open, it goes translucent so you can see your code behind it!

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes. See https://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Mixed-mode%20deb... for details. Disclaimer: I used to work on IronPython.

> This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes.

That's really nice. I wish there would be something comparable for debugging JNI/Java code.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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I primarily use Sublime, TextMate or Komodo on Mac for python dev but would love to also use VS. I do run windows and do most dev on that under VS. Maybe one day VS will come to Mac, I know that doesn't follow the platform mission but would get some good traction for Visual Studio going forward and a little fire under Xcode for C/C++ dev on Mac. At this point both XCode and VS are pretty equal but XCode I also like a…

Try PyCharm. It works on Mac and Windows and is miles ahead of XCode for Python.

For what it's worth I'll give a second vote to PyCharm. Great out-of-the-box go to definition, find all references and refactoring support.

Re: Python Tools for Visual Studio

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This doesn't even mention the most awesome feature of PTVS 2.0: mixed-mode debugging, which provides an integrated experience for debugging mixed Python/C processes. See https://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Mixed-mode%20deb... for details. Disclaimer: I used to work on IronPython.

>[...] you're a hardcore PhD who wants mixed-language Python and C++ debugging [1] [...]

It is mentioned.

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJaKQ94lBY&feature=c4-overvi...

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