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Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by revscat »

iandanforth wrote: post #4
eatitraw wrote: post #2

I've checked russian version of Putin's words, he really said that Snowden is still in Moscow. Also, there is a wikileaks twit: "Cancelling Snowden's passport and bullying intermediary countries may keep Snowden permanently in Russia. Not the brightest bunch at State.". https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/349556329645473792 So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

Does he actually say there is no extradition treaty? That is very surprising.

Think about it: just today Obama said "we're following all of the appropriate legal channels" to get Snowden in US custody. Putin shoots back with "well gee shucks we can't legally turn him over. No extradition treaty!"

Putin is maintaining the moral high ground while using the exact same language the US is.

Savvy.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by frozenport »

throwaway10001 wrote: post #5

Also, "Ex-CIA official: Snowden probably questioned by Russians “The likelihood that there’s either been no conversation with him or they haven’t downloaded stuff from his electronic gear is about zero,” Philip Mudd, a former CIA deputy director of counterterrorism, told Matt Lauer." http://www.today.com/news/ex-cia-official-snowden-probably-q... In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him, Snowden h…

Perhaps he was a moron for running to Russia? Also while in HK the same thing could have happened.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by codex »

revscat wrote: post #11
iandanforth wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does he actually say there is no extradition treaty? That is very surprising.

Think about it: just today Obama said "we're following all of the appropriate legal channels" to get Snowden in US custody. Putin shoots back with "well gee shucks we can't legally turn him over. No extradition treaty!" Putin is maintaining the moral high ground while using the exact same language the US is. Savvy.

Lack of an extradition treaty does not prevent Russia from handing Snowden over, or expelling him; it would merely obligate them to.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by mikeyouse »

throwaway10001 wrote: post #5

Also, "Ex-CIA official: Snowden probably questioned by Russians “The likelihood that there’s either been no conversation with him or they haven’t downloaded stuff from his electronic gear is about zero,” Philip Mudd, a former CIA deputy director of counterterrorism, told Matt Lauer." http://www.today.com/news/ex-cia-official-snowden-probably-q... In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him, Snowden h…

>In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him

You mean the promises to arrest him for releasing confidential information? I'm honestly confused why people don't think he should be arrested. If he had released weapons designs instead of NSA documents, would you support his galavanting across HK and Russia?

The question, "Is the NSA program unconstitutional?" is a far different one than "Should those who release confidential documents be arrested?" Unless you think that there should be no state secrets, it makes absolute sense to arrest and prosecute Snowden. I'm grateful that he shed some light on a very troubling program, but that doesn't just grant him immunity from prosecution. It would be far more honorable to accept responsibility rather than to continue this mess.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by eatitraw »

iandanforth wrote: post #4
eatitraw wrote: post #2

I've checked russian version of Putin's words, he really said that Snowden is still in Moscow. Also, there is a wikileaks twit: "Cancelling Snowden's passport and bullying intermediary countries may keep Snowden permanently in Russia. Not the brightest bunch at State.". https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/349556329645473792 So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

Does he actually say there is no extradition treaty? That is very surprising.

Yes, he really said this: http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/25/putin/ (just put the link in the google translate if you want).

Here is my crude translation of the relevant part:

"Considering possible extradition somewhere, we can extradite people only to the countries which have extradition treaty with us. We don't have such agreement with the USA. Snowden haven't committed any crimes in the territory of Russia".

Note: Putin hasn't used the exact formal term "extradition". So he may have spoken of some other type of agreement.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by themstheones »

csbrooks wrote: post #9
[deleted] wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[deleted]

I don't think that's correct. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon before he was indicted or impeached: http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/ford.htm

Wow that's so crooked. On the other hand, Nixon looks like a saint by today's standards.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by dragonwriter »

codex wrote: post #13
revscat wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about it: just today Obama said "we're following all of the appropriate legal channels" to get Snowden in US custody. Putin shoots back with "well gee shucks we can't legally turn him over. No extradition treaty!" Putin is maintaining the moral high ground while using the exact same language the US is. Savvy.

Lack of an extradition treaty does not prevent Russia from handing Snowden over, or expelling him; it would merely obligate them to.

> Lack of an extradition treaty does not prevent Russia from handing Snowden over, or expelling him; it would merely obligate them to.

If Russia has a constitutional government with limited powers (which, I think, on paper it does, whatever it may otherwise do in practice), not having a legal basis to detain and hand him over may, legally at least, prevent them from detaining him and handing him over.

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by throwaway10001 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #14
throwaway10001 wrote: post #5

Also, "Ex-CIA official: Snowden probably questioned by Russians “The likelihood that there’s either been no conversation with him or they haven’t downloaded stuff from his electronic gear is about zero,” Philip Mudd, a former CIA deputy director of counterterrorism, told Matt Lauer." http://www.today.com/news/ex-cia-official-snowden-probably-q... In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him, Snowden h…

>In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him You mean the promises to arrest him for releasing confidential information? I'm honestly confused why people don't think he should be arrested. If he had released weapons designs instead of NSA documents, would you support his galavanting across HK and Russia? The question, "Is the NSA program unconstitutional?" is a far different one than "Should those wh…

You mean the promises to arrest him for releasing confidential information?

Arrest, a fair trial and humane treatment is different from what Bradley Manning suffered. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/11/stripped-naked-b...

Also, need I remind you all the statements made against him by politicians?

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by throwaway10001 »

eatitraw wrote: post #2

I've checked russian version of Putin's words, he really said that Snowden is still in Moscow. Also, there is a wikileaks twit: "Cancelling Snowden's passport and bullying intermediary countries may keep Snowden permanently in Russia. Not the brightest bunch at State.". https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/349556329645473792 So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

So he remains in Russia, and he probably has problem getting to Ecuador.

Maybe no direct flights and other transit countries might arrest him?

Re: Putin: Russia can't turn over Snowden

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Post by skynorth »

mikeyouse wrote: post #14
throwaway10001 wrote: post #5

Also, "Ex-CIA official: Snowden probably questioned by Russians “The likelihood that there’s either been no conversation with him or they haven’t downloaded stuff from his electronic gear is about zero,” Philip Mudd, a former CIA deputy director of counterterrorism, told Matt Lauer." http://www.today.com/news/ex-cia-official-snowden-probably-q... In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him, Snowden h…

>In other words, considering how US has promised to treat him You mean the promises to arrest him for releasing confidential information? I'm honestly confused why people don't think he should be arrested. If he had released weapons designs instead of NSA documents, would you support his galavanting across HK and Russia? The question, "Is the NSA program unconstitutional?" is a far different one than "Should those wh…

Didn't you just answer your own question?

Because many people consider him to be a whistle-blower. If he truly believes that he is exposing a large and direct illegal activity, he should be protected under law.

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