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U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by eliben »

lignuist wrote: post #9
eliben wrote: post #7

Can we please stop this? If anyone wants to follow this story, she can go to cnn.com or news.google.com; let's please leave HN for interesting technical content. This is truly becoming tiring.

Why don't you just accept, that people are upvoting this, because it is relevant to them and they want to discuss the topic with fellow hackers? I think I will never get the point of those "why is this on HN?" posts. HN's frontpage is not redacted by editors, but filled with posts people have upvoted.

Because this plays on people's basic instinct to keep being fed meaningless, content-less pieces of the current "hot news". It's the bread and butter of modern media, and is not much different from what tabloid readers experience. It would be perfectly fine to discuss this issue around articles with actual content. It's very tiring to see every attention-seeking-hyperbolic-titled news article linked here.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by derefr »

lignuist wrote: post #9
eliben wrote: post #7

Can we please stop this? If anyone wants to follow this story, she can go to cnn.com or news.google.com; let's please leave HN for interesting technical content. This is truly becoming tiring.

Why don't you just accept, that people are upvoting this, because it is relevant to them and they want to discuss the topic with fellow hackers? I think I will never get the point of those "why is this on HN?" posts. HN's frontpage is not redacted by editors, but filled with posts people have upvoted.

The only eventual result of "people upvoting things relevant to them" in an open-membership community is the upvoting of the things the most people can agree on: pictures of cats with words on them. Communities on the internet have disparate purposes, and must be tended--if not by editors, then by the conscientious decisions of their members--lest they all become pointless microcosm-representations of society as a whole. And yes, this sometimes involves being "that guy" and telling people to think more about the net effect of everyone voting the same way they do (in a Timeless Decision Theory sort of way) before they upvote things.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by lignuist »

clicks wrote: post #5

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-sn... And they're urging Hong Kong to do it quickly. I wonder what the result of that will be.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity."

This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

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Post by Myrth »

eliben wrote: post #11
lignuist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you just accept, that people are upvoting this, because it is relevant to them and they want to discuss the topic with fellow hackers? I think I will never get the point of those "why is this on HN?" posts. HN's frontpage is not redacted by editors, but filled with posts people have upvoted.

Because this plays on people's basic instinct to keep being fed meaningless, content-less pieces of the current "hot news". It's the bread and butter of modern media, and is not much different from what tabloid readers experience. It would be perfectly fine to discuss this issue around articles with actual content. It's very tiring to see every attention-seeking-hyperbolic-titled news article linked here.

What's so tiring? Ignoring the thread if you don't like it?

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by muuck »

throwaway10001 wrote: post #6
cobrabyte wrote: post #3

Hope he hops on the plane to Iceland.

Someone, you know who, will call in a bomb and force the plane to land in UK, or Germany or another US satellite state. Or maybe USAF F-16s will greet the plane along the way

That plane to Iceland is a private jet.

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Post by stackedmidgets »

lignuist wrote: post #13
clicks wrote: post #5

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/22/us-usa-security-sn... And they're urging Hong Kong to do it quickly. I wonder what the result of that will be.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

And American policy regarding spying on private people worldwide isn't bad for international relations? Isn't bad for relations with China? Isn't harmful to American businesses seeking to serve the Chinese market?

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by mc32 »

stackedmidgets wrote: post #16
lignuist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

And American policy regarding spying on private people worldwide isn't bad for international relations? Isn't bad for relations with China? Isn't harmful to American businesses seeking to serve the Chinese market?

All the majort powers in the world spy on each other.

They know that they each spy on each other. Friendly nations spy on each other; foes spy on each other. If nations know they spy on each others' 'national secrets' and don't publicly do much about it, I don't think they'll care much about the more quotidian things each other might record about their masses of people. Would the US care that France recorded American civilian citizens comms? I don't think so. Same for France. They might make some public fuss about it, but they care more about the spying on 'sensitive' information --and even then it's more of a 'game'.

Re: U.S. asks Hong Kong to extradite Snowden

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Post by lignuist »

stackedmidgets wrote: post #16
lignuist wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If Hong Kong doesn't act soon, it will complicate our bilateral relations and raise questions about Hong Kong's commitment to the rule of law," a senior Obama administration official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity." This is totally disrespectful. I would call this extortion. Not good for bilateral relations.

And American policy regarding spying on private people worldwide isn't bad for international relations? Isn't bad for relations with China? Isn't harmful to American businesses seeking to serve the Chinese market?

Of course it is, but they are trying hard, to make it even worse.
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