I think anyone who actually cares about this stuff has two simultaneous responses here.
1. Do you actually care if you get it?
2. Go f* yourselves
NSA Boss Asks Congress For Blanket Immunity For Companies That Help NSA Spy
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#12Why is everyone so angry at the companies for complying with these government orders instead of being angry at the government that's ordering them to do these illegal things?
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#13The best thing that can come from this is that each and every company name is published.
I don't think they will give the companies immunity by name.
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#14Why is everyone so angry at the companies for complying with these government orders instead of being angry at the government that's ordering them to do these illegal things ?
> instead of
A number of us are angry at both.
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#15I'm disgusted to see our government still continues to operate however it wishes, confident that if they get caught breaking the law, the law can be promptly and retroactively nullified.
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#16I'm honestly shocked that many of these companies aren't being sued in European courts. There is more than enough evidence now to support this. Hit every company on their bottom line. Europeans need to present the following dichotomous choice to every American tech company:
(1) Operate in Europe and make money here, but no spying on any EU citizen.
(2) Continue spying, but don't operate in Europe.
Alternatively, eliminate the tax evasion benefits of routing everything through Ireland. The tax hit of forcing many US companies to pay the full amount of US corporate taxes should be more than enough to change their tune.
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#17The implications are more serious than immunity for NSA actions.
This law could circumvent the breaking of ALL and ANY laws by these companies. After such a law is passed, companies may not have to be accountable to anyone. When questioned, they can lie about it and say the NSA said so.
They don't need to release transparency reports cuz the NSA said so. Any tech company can lie to the Privacy Commissioner cuz the NSA said so. They can do anything cuz the NSA said so.
This is the mother of all loopholes. Good luck, world.
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#18CISPA anyone? Now we know why that law was pushed so hard, and we now have another strong reason to oppose this tactic. But Keith usually gets what Keith wants, so I'd bet money on it passing this time around.
Yeah, I was talking with some other activists about applying lessons from the SOPA/CISPA victory to the Patriot Act/FISA, and three people at the same time three time "it's all part of the same fight ..."
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#19As if that will help public perception of these companies, I think after these outings of the companies in question, nothing stays the same, ever. I personally will never ever trust any company with putting stuff into their systems. For me the cloud as offered by them is dead and buried forever, even though I know that the NSA can capture anything with their split network rooms, the companies just lost my trust by ly…
First of all, we don't know whether they were lying. Second of all, if they were, they may have been forced by the government to lie. The FISA requests they were getting also came with gag orders.
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#20The best thing that can come from this is that each and every company name is published.
I don't think they will give the companies immunity by name.
They certainly would not, since that would add far to much administrative overhead when they want to add new companies to the list in the future.