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Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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Re: Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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I remember the time, about 6 or 7 years ago when I've asked in front of the whole class to the associate professor of the security course, whether building a text messages encryption app would have been a good idea as project for the course. The answer was a smickering "only a drug dealer would be interested in such a thing".

oh man, that hurt... if I only knew a valid point against the "I've got nothing to hide" argument as I do now...

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No iOS suggestions?

If you're jailbroken (which you probably should consider if privacy is a concern), FirewallIP is the reason I still haven't switched to Android: http://yllier.webs.com/firewall.html

That's unfortunately the problem. We want to make secure software easier to use but we can't get past step 1 if people can't just buy it from the app store.

Re: Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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If you have an Android phone, I'd recommend getting an Open Source ROM (so you can verify it is secure) and removing as much proprietary software as possible. I'd also use Firefox as Chrome for Android isn't Open Source (even though Chromium, Blink, etc are).

This suggestion comes up a lot, and yet isn't practical. I can read and write code, like many, but haven't the time or inclination (and arguably skill) to "verify it is secure". I can however watch what an app sends over the wire, which applies as much to proprietary as it does to open source software.

How do you go about verifying an arbitrary app is secure?

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https://silentcircle.com should have a mention too.

Claims that keys are stored locally and not sent to their network. Applications not open source, no way for anybody anywhere to verify such claims.

These are for paranoids, paranoids may not be able to read the source code and verify such things, but the fact the at least someone can certainly helps.

Re: Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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post #11

I remember the time, about 6 or 7 years ago when I've asked in front of the whole class to the associate professor of the security course, whether building a text messages encryption app would have been a good idea as project for the course. The answer was a smickering "only a drug dealer would be interested in such a thing". oh man, that hurt... if I only knew a valid point against the "I've got nothing to hide" arg…

I've got nothing to hide

Got a handy link to that or similar arguments?

Re: Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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post #11

I remember the time, about 6 or 7 years ago when I've asked in front of the whole class to the associate professor of the security course, whether building a text messages encryption app would have been a good idea as project for the course. The answer was a smickering "only a drug dealer would be interested in such a thing". oh man, that hurt... if I only knew a valid point against the "I've got nothing to hide" arg…

I've got nothing to hide Got a handy link to that or similar arguments?

I would tell anyone to watch the 'Lives of Others' - great film about how surveillance can be abused.

Re: Ask a hacker: Top four anti-surveillance apps

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post #11

I remember the time, about 6 or 7 years ago when I've asked in front of the whole class to the associate professor of the security course, whether building a text messages encryption app would have been a good idea as project for the course. The answer was a smickering "only a drug dealer would be interested in such a thing". oh man, that hurt... if I only knew a valid point against the "I've got nothing to hide" arg…

I've got nothing to hide Got a handy link to that or similar arguments?

How about something like this for the grandparent's case:

"In some countries people can be persecuted for their religious beliefs, politics or sexuality. Their text messages could potentially reveal all of the above to the government and/or someone listening in on GSM traffic [1]. Those people could use an SMS encryption app to provide them with plausible deniability or, should their local law doesn't have that notion, at least help them avoid automatic keyword detection."

[1] See, e.g., http://www.ti.bfh.ch/uploads/media/19_Vadym_Uvin.pdf.

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