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#11
With the growth of homeschool, I'd be interested to know if there is any reaction/support coming from the private school industry.

The first thing that pops into my mind is 'Can't there be a hybrid?' A 10 hrs a week school or something like that. I'm not sure what exactly (if anything) would appeal to home schooling parents, but it seems likely that many of the trade-offs or difficulties would be overcome with a little bit of school.

Any thoughts on this?

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#12

i was homeschooled for a year in middle school as my family made the transition from private to public schools. the year of homeschooling allowed my parents to save some more money for a down payment on a house with good public schools. my brother was homeschooled at the same time - he is three years younger than me - for grade school. I think home school is fine for primary school. once you get into middle and high…

> I think home school is fine for primary school. once you get into middle and high school i am not as supportive. Interesting. My thoughts are nearly the reverse. We home-schooled one kid for one year (1st grade [U.S. terminology]), when we had some problems with the public schools, and then put them in public school for all the rest of it. We are considering starting up home-schooling for all of them some time in t…

I'd be interested to know if (your) reasons for home schooling are mostly related to peer or system influences?

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#14
Homeschooled all the way (til I started college classes at 15), in Ashland, VA (near Richmond). Worked for me, and my brothers, but my mom was really involved and committed to it. That's an essential component. :)

My mom now writes home-school curriculum and other helpful books, and speaks at conventions and such (maybe the one you're going to). If you have any VA-specific or general Q's, I'm sure she'd be happy to answer any questions. Her site's at http://everyday-education.com/.

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#15
I started unschooling in high school. I went to some college, but returned to self-education after a semester. I've never looked back. Not Back To School Camp (nbtsc.org) is a great summer resource for unschoolers--a mix of workshops led by advisors and campers, as well as a social opportunity. NBTSC takes place yearly in Vermont and Oregon. You may also want to read The Teenage Liberation Handbook by Grace Llewellyn, which is an excellent reference on self-education (for the young self-educator).

You may also want to read College Without High School by Blake Boles, when available. See http://www.blakeboles.com/cwhs.htm

Feel free to email me at my username at gmail if you want to talk to a hacker who has unschooled and who works with hundreds of unschoolers every year.

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#16
My parents faced the same decision, decided against it, and I'm glad. My ride through public school was a bit bumpy but overall I did OK, and made several life-long friends in the process. I was exposed to homeschoolers in college and while they were hard working and serious students, they just didn't seem to have the same academic chops as their public/private schooled peers. This was not because they were dumb, or received poor instruction from their parents; they simply struggled adapting to some of the requirements of institutional learning. Namely, they had poor time management skills and didn't function well in groups compared to their peers. These students had no exposure to public schooling outside of kindergarten.

With that said, the most critical phase of your child's education will be early childhood, namely grades K-5. A solid foundation during this period will pay significant dividends throughout their academic career. I'd consider weighing your options in terms of specialized private education if you're determined to give them the best start possible.

However, if your objective is religious and you desire to shield your children from the "secularism" in public schools, then by all means home school them.

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#17
To me, it goes like this: If your environment, genes, family, and children are such that your children fall in the category of "students who must attend classes class for the benefit of the other students", you should homeschool, period. If the educational system is going to hold your children back for the benefit of the other students, you should get them out. However, if that's not the case, then I would leave them in a more traditional school system.

That's arguably a pretty selfish way to evaluate things, but speaking as a K-12 homeschooled student, I think it's the best way to make the most of the options in front of you.

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#18
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think home school is fine for primary school. once you get into middle and high school i am not as supportive. Interesting. My thoughts are nearly the reverse. We home-schooled one kid for one year (1st grade [U.S. terminology]), when we had some problems with the public schools, and then put them in public school for all the rest of it. We are considering starting up home-schooling for all of them some time in t…

Peer influences will inevitably be problematic and dangerous throughout the course of one's lifetime. If a teenager doesn't learn how to handle these influences in high school, then the dangers will invariably be exacerbated in adulthood.

This has as much to do with the parents as it does with the kids. Most of the home schooled kids I know (which is actually quite a few) are very well-balanced socially, as they've been involved in home schooling co-ops, sports, and other "after school" activities. In fact, I think many of them can deal with peer influences better than "schooled" kids, as they are more confident with themselves.

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#19
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think home school is fine for primary school. once you get into middle and high school i am not as supportive. Interesting. My thoughts are nearly the reverse. We home-schooled one kid for one year (1st grade [U.S. terminology]), when we had some problems with the public schools, and then put them in public school for all the rest of it. We are considering starting up home-schooling for all of them some time in t…

Peer influences will inevitably be problematic and dangerous throughout the course of one's lifetime. If a teenager doesn't learn how to handle these influences in high school, then the dangers will invariably be exacerbated in adulthood.

Well, yes & no. The main problem is that high school is a very artificial environment in which a student has very little freedom.

Consider bullying. I had to deal with bullies in jr. high & high school, because there simply was no way to avoid them. But after high school, I didn't go where the bullies were. Problem solved. Yes, there were bullies in elementary school, but they weren't really capable of doing much damage yet.

And there is a flip side: teenagers are protected from the consequences of their decisions. This is another reason for bullying: the bullies get away with it. But in the adult world, violent people can be fired, jailed, etc.

And bullying is just one issue of many.

So, yes, peer influences can be a problem throughout life; however I definitely do not see the adult world as being more dangerous, if you can't figure out how survive in the teen world. Certainly my own experience does not support that idea.

See also PGs essays on high school. I don't mean that he is supporting my ideas; rather he provides a good explanation of why high school is different from "the real world". Thus, I don't see that figuring out how to survive high school really gives one much in the way of practical life skills for the long term.

Re: Poll: How many homeschoolers/unschoolers here? When did you start?

#20
Hi niels_olson,

I wasn't homeschooled at all. I went to private school through high-school (around Charlottesville, VA, in case you're in that area) and then did public university. I went to school with some home schooled students. Some were good, some had issues. Most of them had at least a few social issues, but then, I think any way you sliced my high-school population, the majority of a given section had some issues; such is the nature of being in high-school.

The point is, this doesn't really tell you anything useful. I could tell you what my gut tells me about homeschooling, but that's not going to be especially useful either. Instead, I'll share two things that I think might actually be of some use to you on this issue.

One: you're asking a community of amateurs. The people on this website are, at least taken in aggregate, a standard deviation or two above the norm at what they're good at. However, I have met very few people who're particularly smart at everything. Instead, people are usually smart about a small number of things. The most wise people are usually wise enough to know they don't know squat about the rest. Therefor, I would suggest that there will be lots of well-meaning, reasonably smart people here, I'm not sure that the people who actually know what they're talking about are going to come out over the people who don't know enough to know they don't know what they're talking about.

And what makes it worse is that studies show, if you don't know much about this, you're going to have a hard time telling the know-it-alls from the know-nothings.

Two: you're asking a self-selected group about their experiences, and as we all know, the plural of anecdote is not data. Again, a lot of people on here are smart, and on top of that, highly (self-)motivated, people. These are good qualities that I'm sure you want to give your children, but you're probably likely to get more success stories about anything with a reasonable success rate here, given the population you ask. If I ask a room full of millionaires how many people eat raisin bran and I get a number of positive responses, I can't then conclude that iron and dietary fiber have a greater-than-average incidence of financial prosperity.

I'm not suggesting that it's not worthwhile to hear what people have to say about their experiences; I'm just urging you to take what you read with a grain of salt and to seek out data about homeschooling. Try to find non-biased studies on it, compare the costs to comparable options (Montessori, local alternative private schools), and then ultimately apply your best judgment.

Good luck!

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