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Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by nijk » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 3:57 PM UTC

mindcrime wrote: post #6

There's no question that networks help, although I guess you could quibble over whether it's "unfair" or not. But what comes up here on HN sometimes - and this is one place I disagree with michaelochurch - is the issue of gaining access to certain networks or individuals. I think MOC and some others feel like you're largely "in or out" now and forever, and that you can't find a way to forge a bridge into a network (s…

Establishing technical credibility by tweeting/blogging/speaking is disappointing. Those are talking skills, not tech skills.

You mentions UGs, which is greay, but sad that your examples for getting recognition were all fluffy BS and not "share code, answer questions on SO/mailingnlosts.

Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by X4 » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 3:57 PM UTC

mindcrime wrote: post #9

jiggy2011 wrote: post #3

About the value of blogs, what is the best way to blog in a way that gives you a decent chance of being read by "the people that matter"? It feels like technical blogs are 10 a penny these days.

I think the most important thing is probably to produce high quality content, and write about "stuff" that people are interested in. Do at least basic (white hat) SEO to try to make your blog as discoverable as possible through organic search. Then start marketing the blog: Tweet about your new posts, and use relevant hashtags. Add your blog to any relevant blog directories. Share your entries in relevant sub-reddits…

You suggest good SEO. Ok.

Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle

Hitting the right persons nerves will again trigger success or failure. If you gain respect this way you probably will get attention. Your responsibility then is to react timely. If you do it wrong, you could get negative reactions, which could be good for SEO, but bad for credit/respect.

But the first thing I would suggest you to do in order to join a network is simply to join a related network that persons inside of your desired network are in. Sports/Clubs/Organizations/etc.

Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by mindcrime » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 4:05 PM UTC

X4 wrote: post #12

mindcrime wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the most important thing is probably to produce high quality content, and write about "stuff" that people are interested in. Do at least basic (white hat) SEO to try to make your blog as discoverable as possible through organic search. Then start marketing the blog: Tweet about your new posts, and use relevant hashtags. Add your blog to any relevant blog directories. Share your entries in relevant sub-reddits…

You suggest good SEO. Ok. Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle Hitting the right persons nerves will again trigger success or failure. If you gain respect this way you probably will get attention. Your responsibility then is to react timely. If you do it wrong, you could get negative reactions, which could be good for SEO, but bad fo…

You suggest good SEO. Ok. Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle

Under the right circumstances, I'm not opposed to doing the unorthodox (I might skip the botnet though), and I agree that hustle is important and getting media attention is good. I just wanted to share some of the obvious stuff that jumped to mind immediately.

You saying that reminds me of another resource of interest: Ryan Holiday's book Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator.[1] There's some interesting stuff in there about manipulating the media. You could almost think of it as "black hat PR".

[1]: http://trustmeimlying.com/

Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by leoedin » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 4:07 PM UTC

X4 wrote: post #12

mindcrime wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the most important thing is probably to produce high quality content, and write about "stuff" that people are interested in. Do at least basic (white hat) SEO to try to make your blog as discoverable as possible through organic search. Then start marketing the blog: Tweet about your new posts, and use relevant hashtags. Add your blog to any relevant blog directories. Share your entries in relevant sub-reddits…

You suggest good SEO. Ok. Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle Hitting the right persons nerves will again trigger success or failure. If you gain respect this way you probably will get attention. Your responsibility then is to react timely. If you do it wrong, you could get negative reactions, which could be good for SEO, but bad fo…

I think most people have quite effective asshole detectors. If you get noticed because you used a botnet to spam your site, that will do serious damage to your credibility amongst almost anyone you might want to work with. If your aim is respect amongst black hat hackers, then perhaps it would be effective, but in the context of startups I can't see how that would be desireable. People don't go into business with someone they can't trust, and nothing screams untrustworthy like promoting yourself with a botnet.

Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by mindcrime » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 4:07 PM UTC

X4 wrote: post #10

jiggy2011 wrote: post #3

About the value of blogs, what is the best way to blog in a way that gives you a decent chance of being read by "the people that matter"? It feels like technical blogs are 10 a penny these days.

Bloggin will get people into your network, but will not allow you to join other networks. Except you hit one guys nerve.

Not directly, but it is a means to help establish overall credibility and reputation, which do come into play.

Re: Networks give you an unfair access to success

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Post by X4 » Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 8:58 PM UTC

mindcrime wrote: post #13

X4 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You suggest good SEO. Ok. Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle Hitting the right persons nerves will again trigger success or failure. If you gain respect this way you probably will get attention. Your responsibility then is to react timely. If you do it wrong, you could get negative reactions, which could be good for SEO, but bad fo…

You suggest good SEO. Ok. Counterexample, use the power of a Botnet to do something unorthodox, dive into the grayzone, get media attention. Hustle Under the right circumstances, I'm not opposed to doing the unorthodox (I might skip the botnet though), and I agree that hustle is important and getting media attention is good. I just wanted to share some of the obvious stuff that jumped to mind immediately. You saying…

Thank you for the smart input!

I'll put the book into my reading list.