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The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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It seems Mr. and Mrs. Parker should have purchased their own coastal land for their fanciful wedding. Surely they could afford to do so. They could have probably avoided public scrutiny. However, I think the author's indignation and clear bias are a little over-the-top -- I think he even came close to using the all-powerful "middle class" hammer we've been beaten over the head with so much in the last year or two: "B…

Except in this case the availability of this space to the middle class was supposed to be explicitly guaranteed via an agreement with the Inn. In exchange for being allowed to expand they were to maintain the campsite and parking lot for public use.

So this isn't an idle "the rich own too much!" complaint followed by populist grandstanding, this appears to be a literal violation of an explicit contract.

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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post #4

It seems Mr. and Mrs. Parker should have purchased their own coastal land for their fanciful wedding. Surely they could afford to do so. They could have probably avoided public scrutiny. However, I think the author's indignation and clear bias are a little over-the-top -- I think he even came close to using the all-powerful "middle class" hammer we've been beaten over the head with so much in the last year or two: "B…

But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. If you want a private bit of coastline you can look in an adjoining state or on one of the other coasts. Now it's true that most people don't find other coastlines around the US as nice as that of California's but that's why it's rigorously conserved as a public resource.

I do think it's up to Mr Parker how he spends his money and while I think $10m for a wedding seems a bit daft to me that's partly because I don't have $1 billion in the bank; at least he's spreading it around, and I respect him for just paying the fines instead of litigating the matter or attempting to evade it via an offshore business address (although in a case like this, it would be relatively easy to 'pierce the corporate veil' and litigate against the individual whom the corporation exists to benefit).

On the other hand, just because you're very wealthy doesn't give you an automatic right of purchase to things that have been designated as 'not for sale.' You're arguing for a private right of eminent domain - because an individual has the money and the willingness to spend it, should that confer the right to purchase something others (individually or collectively) do not wish to sell? I don't think so.

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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Title is misleading. That's not excess. Excess is dropping $20k on a wedding when you have a mortgage and are only making $50k/yr. What Parker did was tasteless, but not the worst thing people with money do sometimes.

It's a slippery slope argument in some ways; sure he can afford it, but if that's the case, should people with means be able to do anything they can afford? Or is there some limit where we can reasonably call it "excess" by nature of it being more than is reasonable for a person to need or desire; even if the excess in question is just disrespect for the conventions. It is an opinionated judgement, but it's not misleading.

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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post #5

I'm not sure a $2.5 million fine means very much when you have an estimated net worth of $2.1 billion.

One reason I like a system where fines are x% of income like in some nordic countries that can result in 6 figure ($) speeding tickets[1].

[1] http://www.trafficticketsecrets.com/speeding-ticket-news-fin...

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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Title is misleading. That's not excess. Excess is dropping $20k on a wedding when you have a mortgage and are only making $50k/yr. What Parker did was tasteless, but not the worst thing people with money do sometimes.

It's a slippery slope argument in some ways; sure he can afford it, but if that's the case, should people with means be able to do anything they can afford? Or is there some limit where we can reasonably call it "excess" by nature of it being more than is reasonable for a person to need or desire; even if the excess in question is just disrespect for the conventions. It is an opinionated judgement, but it's not misle…

I am not defending Parker. I saw 'excess' in the headline, I was expecting to see some form of immoderate indulgence. What I saw, was in line with my expectations, unfortunately. The guy's sense of perspective is probably long gone.

Disregard for the conventions (and laws) is a different matter though. I hope this goes beyond simple fines.

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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This is absolutely disgusting.

I wonder if it had been a more prominent natural area, such as Yosemite Valley or Muir Woods or Yellowstone where he decided to build his castle. Surely he could afford whatever fines would be levied anywhere, but the public outcry would have been far more prominent, the beauty of the areas well-known and understood and agreed-upon.

These are places we have mutually determined to protest and hold sacred in our country. The National Parks and Forests, especially in the West, where there is some notion that the natural land—the wilderness—is above the petty desires of human folly. The green that grows trumps that which is printed, and no man can override it.

I grew up summers in Yosemite, in the high country, where in two days you can hike to places that perhaps no man has ever set foot. There is something sacred about that, not in a religious way but in a sense of truth and place and knowing the world which produced you by whatever means.

I know a grove of trees and a stream there. They is as nondescript and unremarkable as this one, except that they are absolutely remarkable for their beauty. If anyone built a castle there, I'd personally assist in bringing them to justice, and personally assist in restoring the land to its natural state. I'm thankful that the protection of the National Park and surrounding wilderness areas are present to prevent this sort of destruction in at least certain regions.

I'm not saying this is the ultimate slight against nature; far from it. It's a small thing. But it shows a lack of respect and carelessness that need not be rewarded, and in this case, I think the punishment and disrespect directed toward this event is entirely valid. We cannot prevent every use of the land, but we can encourage respect and understanding. In this case there was no respect and no understanding—especially not of riparian habitats and stream management—those regulations are there for good reasons and you can't pick and choose haphazardly whether you follow them.

If you've ever been to Big Sur, you know it's a special place, regardless of the imaginary borders we may or may not choose to lay down in symbolic protection. I'm happy that however small this infraction might have been, it will be met with fines and public humiliation. Silicon valley excess? That's up for debate, but who cares? It was dumb and disgusting.

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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post #4

It seems Mr. and Mrs. Parker should have purchased their own coastal land for their fanciful wedding. Surely they could afford to do so. They could have probably avoided public scrutiny. However, I think the author's indignation and clear bias are a little over-the-top -- I think he even came close to using the all-powerful "middle class" hammer we've been beaten over the head with so much in the last year or two: "B…

But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. If you want a private bit of coastline you can look in an adjoining state or on one of the other coasts. Now it's true that most people don't find other coastlines around the US as nice as that of California's but that's why it's rigorously conserved as a public resource. I do th…

| But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time.

Really? What a great law!

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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This is absolutely disgusting. I wonder if it had been a more prominent natural area, such as Yosemite Valley or Muir Woods or Yellowstone where he decided to build his castle. Surely he could afford whatever fines would be levied anywhere, but the public outcry would have been far more prominent, the beauty of the areas well-known and understood and agreed-upon. These are places we have mutually determined to protes…

But Big Sur is hardly some little known park. It's well above Muir Woods in annual visitors (I'm seeing 3M vs 700k) and not too far behind Yosemite (3M vs 4M).

I'm pretty surprised that there hasn't been an uproar over it yet. This is the first I've heard of it. Good on Madrigal.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. If you want a private bit of coastline you can look in an adjoining state or on one of the other coasts. Now it's true that most people don't find other coastlines around the US as nice as that of California's but that's why it's rigorously conserved as a public resource. I do th…

| But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. Really? What a great law!

Obviously it's a little more complex than my one-sentence summary, but basically, yeah. I do think it's a great thing.

http://www.coastal.ca.gov/access/accndx.html

Re: The Sean Parker Wedding Is the Perfect Parable for Silicon Valley Excess

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. If you want a private bit of coastline you can look in an adjoining state or on one of the other coasts. Now it's true that most people don't find other coastlines around the US as nice as that of California's but that's why it's rigorously conserved as a public resource. I do th…

| But it's the law in California that you can't cut off public access to the coastline or alter it willy-nilly, and has been for a long time. Really? What a great law!

Kinda. All coastlines are public-access, but if you own the property up to the coast (say, a cabin on a river), you do not have to grant access across your property. So, you could walk down the river and hang out in front of this cabin, but you can't trespass across private property.
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