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The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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This is why I've started to dislike revisionist history. The premise that the threat of Stalin alone forced Japanese surrender is at least as ludicrous as saying that the nuclear bombs alone forced Japan to surrender. I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad, but I've encountered the premise elsewhere so it warrants examination. The first thing to realize is that for Japan, whatever else happen…

I have also not read the article but an opinion.

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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Is there a link that doesn't require the user to login?

I'm not getting a login box. It would seem that it's defeated by Adblock (Chrome). Edit: I am getting the login box when I go to the "single page" link. Removing the DOM elements works.

I have ABP installed (Chrome + Mac). Still getting the login/signup/paywall. This is what I did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5814168

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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post #10

This is why I've started to dislike revisionist history. The premise that the threat of Stalin alone forced Japanese surrender is at least as ludicrous as saying that the nuclear bombs alone forced Japan to surrender. I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad, but I've encountered the premise elsewhere so it warrants examination. The first thing to realize is that for Japan, whatever else happen…

> I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad ...

You may want to actually read the article before criticizing it. It's more nuanced than you seem to assume, and does not really contradict your own comment.

In particular, it does not imply that the threat of Soviet invasion was the determining factor; but that it was only one of several factors, of which the bomb was another, neither of which were dominant.

> Emperor Hirohito ... explicitly mentioned the destructiveness of the atom bomb

As you say, the bomb was a gift, allowing the emperor to (quoting the article) "blame the loss on an amazing scientific breakthrough that no one could have predicted" and put Japan in a sympathetic light. The emperor and the government had every reason to shift the blame on the bomb and away from everything else.

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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Wow, what an annoying travesty that sign on page is, and whatever all that other stuff was. I understand they have to make a buck and can do whatever they like with their content, but that was powerfully annoying. I imagine content providers have spent a lot of time anguishing over how they can extract money from users, but I wonder if this is the best way. No way am I going to figure out how to get through the multi…

I was able to click stop before the page loaded to read it without signing in.

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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post #10

This is why I've started to dislike revisionist history. The premise that the threat of Stalin alone forced Japanese surrender is at least as ludicrous as saying that the nuclear bombs alone forced Japan to surrender. I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad, but I've encountered the premise elsewhere so it warrants examination. The first thing to realize is that for Japan, whatever else happen…

> I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad ... You may want to actually read the article before criticizing it. It's more nuanced than you seem to assume, and does not really contradict your own comment. In particular, it does not imply that the threat of Soviet invasion was the determining factor; but that it was only one of several factors, of which the bomb was another, neither of which were…

> As you say, the bomb was a gift, allowing the emperor to (quoting the article) "blame the loss on an amazing scientific breakthrough that no one could have predicted" and put Japan in a sympathetic light.

Which is why it was the decisive element; Japan has lost militarily before either the bomb being dropped or the USSR declaring war. But the bomb is the thing that, given the cultural context, allowed the regime to admit defeat, which was what was missing.

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I closed the page immediately because of the full-page popup ad ... You may want to actually read the article before criticizing it. It's more nuanced than you seem to assume, and does not really contradict your own comment. In particular, it does not imply that the threat of Soviet invasion was the determining factor; but that it was only one of several factors, of which the bomb was another, neither of which were…

> As you say, the bomb was a gift, allowing the emperor to (quoting the article) "blame the loss on an amazing scientific breakthrough that no one could have predicted" and put Japan in a sympathetic light. Which is why it was the decisive element; Japan has lost militarily before either the bomb being dropped or the USSR declaring war. But the bomb is the thing that, given the cultural context, allowed the regime to…

Indeed, but methinks you pasted the wrong quote. :-)

Re: The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As you say, the bomb was a gift, allowing the emperor to (quoting the article) "blame the loss on an amazing scientific breakthrough that no one could have predicted" and put Japan in a sympathetic light. Which is why it was the decisive element; Japan has lost militarily before either the bomb being dropped or the USSR declaring war. But the bomb is the thing that, given the cultural context, allowed the regime to…

Indeed, but methinks you pasted the wrong quote. :-)

Edited; thanks. That was really wrong.
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