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The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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While I appreciate the efficiency of this, I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day, but also took pleasure out of every meal. I am happy to spend a considerable part of my budget to procure groceries that have been grown in a sustainable way and meat from animals that were not industrially produced. I am also happy to spend considerable time prepari…

I would be perfectly happy with decoupling "satisfying hunger" from "enjoying food", though: if I was never hungry, ever, but still able to eat and enjoy tasting (and consuming) food, that would be great; it would be like a guaranteed basic income for my body.

I don't need to have fancy gastronomical adventures three times a day; I imagine that really, without a need for it, it would be an indulgence to be pursued with about the same frequency as sex.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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Does anyone have a link to any article about their previous white space radio effort? I'm interested in learning more about their failure in that field and what were the hurdles he is referring to.

I can't seem to find them on the YC summer 2012 list and their new nutrition thing is all that comes up in my web searches.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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It is not clear to me from the article their relationship with YC. It begins "YC accepted our original idea, to build affordable wireless networks for developing countries, for the summer 2012 batch", before explaining how that didn't work out and they moved to "working on a handful of projects. Sometimes collectively, sometimes independently".

Then the article begins on Soylent and, aside from a few appearances from Paul Graham, YC isn't mentioned again (literally, I even used the find function to check I hadn't read too quickly and missed a crucial paragraph).

From when "YC accepted our original idea" has everything these guys have done been under a kind of YC umbrella? Did they break away then re-establish with YC when Soylent started taking off? I have no idea how any of this works. Could someone fill in what is between the lines here please?

On another note, I've enjoyed the passion and controversy of the Soylent topics on here and avoided commenting because someone has always said what I was going to - except they've said it hours ago and four people have made good rebuttals, and four more have made rebuttals to each those, and so on, to the point where I just want to drink it all in rather than join the noise. However, this part seems a new one on me:

"Rob would simply go to the pitcher, shake it once, and pour a delicious meal for himself"

Delicious? I was under the impression Soylent was either fairly tasteless or mildly unpleasant-tasting. Is it really delicious? In what way? Why? How?

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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post #5

There has been a lot of criticism around here about this Soylent thing, and it's understandable: it's dangerous to trust your health to some guys without any medical or nutritional background. But I am really happy to hear they are getting YC support and funding, now they will be able to develop it further with good input from specialists. This could become something really big.

Do you have a professional nutritionist who designs every meal for you, or do you rely upon restaurants and self-made foods ?

With any diet there's risks, assuming it's not missing any major dietary component it's unlikely to be any unhealthier than your average fast-food diet.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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While I appreciate the efficiency of this, I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day, but also took pleasure out of every meal. I am happy to spend a considerable part of my budget to procure groceries that have been grown in a sustainable way and meat from animals that were not industrially produced. I am also happy to spend considerable time prepari…

I share your worries but "I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day" has never really been true. It's only very recently -- say last 100 years -- that people in the West have been able to eat for pleasure on a more massive scale instead of eating so you don't starve or get enough energy to work. Things like meat or variety in diet were mostly reserved…

Epicurus might disagree with your assertion that the pleasure of eating is only a recent thing or the fare only of the rich.

Although he's much misunderstood upon the layman as meaning luxurious foods and pleasures, it's understood he really meant to enjoy basic foods (usually grown in the communal garden) amongst friends.

Soylent would be great for many reasons; third world, developing world, a trip to Mars. But I also share the thought that food is a pleasure and I won't want to give that up.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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Food is more than just nutrition, food is a way to share time with friends and family, to connect. To actually chew your food is good, not a waste of time, it also slows you down to the point where you appreciate the taste of it and the work that went into making it. You mess with such mechanisms at your peril.

Eating is not about 'efficiency' unless you're an astronaut or a person doing a round-the-world flight in some exotic aircraft.

I'm sure that in a world where people are all about getting the most out of their day and shaving off a few minutes by reading on their mobiles whilst in the toilet a thing like this might be popular. But I'd rather sit down with my family and/or a bunch of people and share a meal rather than to fuel up.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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As I type this I am eating, for breakfast, a sausage biscuit. I am unlikely to switch to Soylent. Now that you know my opinion, should I pretend to believe I have made you smarter? Maybe we can pretend to have made each other smarter together by expressing the same opinion.

Who gives a fuck if I am in the target market segment? The important lessons of Soylent are applicable beyond the specifics. They scratched their own itch, they're shipping, they're gaining the traction needed to build a clear brand, and above all the founders were not so in love with the contents of their own heads that they failed to recognize failure nor seize opportunity.

Sure it's not a product that contains interesting ideas expressed as computer code. Ain't the point. What matters is not the operands but the implementation of the operands.

Good luck to the Soylent team. Maybe you will convince me to be a customer, but no hard feelings if you forego wooing me.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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While I appreciate the efficiency of this, I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day, but also took pleasure out of every meal. I am happy to spend a considerable part of my budget to procure groceries that have been grown in a sustainable way and meat from animals that were not industrially produced. I am also happy to spend considerable time prepari…

Soylent isn't necessarily about forcing you to eliminate food and preparation - it's about giving you the option. And like Rob did, you can still enjoy a regular dinner with friends, and just have it for breakfast or lunch.

I love cooking, I love food, but it does take a lot of my time, of which after sleeping and working I only have 7 hours of the day. Other people can't or don't like cooking - what joy is cooking your own food to someone who burns a bowl of cereal?

And for anyone who simply doesn't care about cooking or food, this could be a huge improvement over eating McDonald's or Lean Cuisine every day. Right now, 'not caring' about what you eat has a huge, negative impact on your health. They're trying to eliminate that.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

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While I appreciate the efficiency of this, I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day, but also took pleasure out of every meal. I am happy to spend a considerable part of my budget to procure groceries that have been grown in a sustainable way and meat from animals that were not industrially produced. I am also happy to spend considerable time prepari…

I share your worries but "I will happily stay a relic of the olden days, when we ate food not only for being able to hack the next day" has never really been true. It's only very recently -- say last 100 years -- that people in the West have been able to eat for pleasure on a more massive scale instead of eating so you don't starve or get enough energy to work. Things like meat or variety in diet were mostly reserved…

Of course the olden days have to be taken with a grain of salt. I am aware that it was (and still is) true only for a small number of privileged people, and I am thankful to fall in that category.

If Soylent plays a part in reducing the hunger in the world, then I am a big fan. I reserve the hypocrisy for me to not be a fan of it in my own diet.

Re: The Biggest Pivot in YC History

#20
It was Warren Zevon who shortly before his untimely death from cancer said, "Enjoy every sandwich."

Only one aspect of our eating habits should be the nutritional value. Enjoyment of your food and the people you eat with are also very important.

Very interesting post - I know many people will eat this product right up.

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