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Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by WickyNilliams »

SiVal wrote: post #10
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

I know nothing about knockout.js, but if you look at the Google Trends search posted below, knockout is a solid #2 after angular.

Interesting. I know MS push knockout quite hard (Steve Sanderson now works for MS), so maybe KO is doing well in enterprise? And through some selection bias, it's less likely to appear in discussions/articles on HN because of the demographic here.

Whatever the case, I'm happy to see that some portion of the internet is enjoying KO!

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by api »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Knockout gets excluded by many people because it comes from the .NET ecosystem, but that's completely unfair. It's pure JS and has nothing in it that ties it to .NET or Microsoft in any way.

I just picked it for a new project. It's very, very clean and nice.

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by ttrashh »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Using Durandal/Knockout on our current project. Entire team is very happy.

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by WickyNilliams »

quarterto wrote: post #8
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Knockout's documentation I find severely lacking. It has no API reference whatsoever (short of reading the code, which I do not recommend). It just has a set of really comprehensive tutorials. Which is great when you're starting out. Not so much when you're trying to work out if ObservableArray.prototype.remove takes a function like removeAll does. (Or was it the other way round? dammit )

It is a good point, sometimes the finer details are lacking a bit. For instance the various helper functions under ko.utils (and there's a fair few of them) aren't documented at all.

However, you're not quite right with your assertion above. The docs clearly describe the params that both of those methods can take (remove takes a reference/value, removeAll an array or function or nothing)

http://knockoutjs.com/documentation/observableArrays.html#re...

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by WickyNilliams »

ttrashh wrote: post #13
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Using Durandal/Knockout on our current project. Entire team is very happy.

That's good to hear, I hadn't seen any opinions "in the wild" up until you just said that! Are there any resources you can recommend for getting to grips with it?

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by WickyNilliams »

api wrote: post #12
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Knockout gets excluded by many people because it comes from the .NET ecosystem, but that's completely unfair. It's pure JS and has nothing in it that ties it to .NET or Microsoft in any way. I just picked it for a new project. It's very, very clean and nice.

I definitely echo your sentiment. However I think you're slightly off in that it doesn't come from the .NET ecosystem. IIRC Steve Sanderson had released KO before he began working for MS. The affiliation you allude to comes from them pushing it quite hard since he was hired - as you would if you had Steve as your employee!

EDIT: good luck with your new project if it's your first with KO. If it is, let me know and I can give you some quick tips to get you on the right track

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by peterhunt »

edtechdev wrote: post #5
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

There's also Derby, CanJS, Spine, Dart, Dojo, etc. and now Facebook's React library. TodoMVC seems to have them all covered (except the latest one from Facebook): https://github.com/tastejs/todomvc http://todomvc.com/

Workin' on it ;) https://github.com/tastejs/todomvc/pull/582

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by camus »

drinchev wrote: post #3

I'm a big fan of Backbone. I'm used to do most of the scripting by myself and I don't like to mess my html data-attributes with javascript libraries. Also the source code is pure and self-explainatory, supports underscore and is used to be paired with CoffeeScript. Because of that, I'm pretty fast and flexible.

I was like you until i try Angular ...

Having an entire data driven view save loads of time,trust me. You can have complexe nested objects, and you dont have to worry about how the view will be updated. Change a value in the object , and the view updates. And Angular works very well with jquery plugins once you get the directive thing.

I still use Backbone for "brochure" sites and campains though, when i port old Flash sites to HTML5.

Re: Javascript Framework Popularity graphed by Github Archive

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Post by tracker1 »

api wrote: post #12
WickyNilliams wrote: post #2

It's a damn shame that knockout.js [1] receives so little attention. Both in terms of not being included in the article, and if it had been included it would look quite poor next to the others (currently "only" 3750 stars). But it's a great framework and for some reason it's often overlooked in spite of other lesser libraries (e.g. spine, if we use the github stars metric) First and foremost, it has excellent documen…

Knockout gets excluded by many people because it comes from the .NET ecosystem, but that's completely unfair. It's pure JS and has nothing in it that ties it to .NET or Microsoft in any way. I just picked it for a new project. It's very, very clean and nice.

I know that KO was started before Steve Sanderson joined MS... I think the biggest reason it gets associated with MS is that it follows the observable pattern, and has a binding nature similar to WPF/Silverlight. That said, it's very usable.
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