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Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by sp332 » Wed, May 15, 2013, 8:57 PM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

mtgx wrote: post #3

Larry Page seemed very upset [1] that Microsoft is basically leeching off their Gtalk contacts into Outlook, without returning the favor (with Skype I assume), and he said he'd prefer if things weren't like this and everyone was more open. He didn't continue that idea, but I think he would've continued it with "...but since nobody wants to do that, then we won't do it anymore either". So they are probably responding…

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by sp332 » Wed, May 15, 2013, 8:58 PM UTC

yanw wrote: post #7

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect Google Talk to remain indefinitely though - if you need XMPP you at least want an exit strategy if Hangouts isn't suitable. It's quite telling that the Hangouts app on Android is called "Hangouts (replaces Talk)" and takes Talk's URL in the play store.

In GTalk's case any XMPP client will do so an official app is almost irrelevant in its case.

Right, but you still need Google's XMPP server to support it.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by bdowney » Wed, May 15, 2013, 8:59 PM UTC

mjolk wrote: post #8

bdowney wrote: post #2

Yep, I already warned about this a few days ago. I would like to encourage everyone to avoid using this walled garden service and make sure you tell both your friends and Google why. Say NO to proprietary network protocols!

So, what do you propose as a realistic alternative?

Personally I'd love to see a community driven extension to XMPP, with its corresponding RFC, which would allow feature parity with Google's proprietary crap while keeping interoperability and federation, so people could give Google the finger on this one.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by mlinksva » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:00 PM UTC

mjolk wrote: post #8

bdowney wrote: post #2

Yep, I already warned about this a few days ago. I would like to encourage everyone to avoid using this walled garden service and make sure you tell both your friends and Google why. Say NO to proprietary network protocols!

So, what do you propose as a realistic alternative?

jitsi.org

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by yanw » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:01 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #12

yanw wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In GTalk's case any XMPP client will do so an official app is almost irrelevant in its case.

Right, but you still need Google's XMPP server to support it.

It's still there.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by ajpatel » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:06 PM UTC

I need a client for Ubuntu then :(

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by glomph » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:08 PM UTC

sharmanaetor wrote: post #10

bdowney wrote: post #2

Yep, I already warned about this a few days ago. I would like to encourage everyone to avoid using this walled garden service and make sure you tell both your friends and Google why. Say NO to proprietary network protocols!

"both your friends"..I think I might have more than 2 friends :)

They mean both Google and your friends. :p

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by kvb » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:10 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #11

recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

Is there a YouTube API that provides the ads, or is Microsoft's only alternative to embed a YouTube web page?

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by yanw » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:11 PM UTC

ajpatel wrote: post #16

I need a client for Ubuntu then :(

Chrome app: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahada...

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by ricardobeat » Wed, May 15, 2013, 9:16 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #11

recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

The AppleTV YT app doesn't show ads either.