Damn, I was just wondering about this the other day. I.e., how the software world compares to the engineering world. Seems my guesses were right in this case.
Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
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Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#12I will probably get shunned to death for asking this, but I must ask. The described behaviour of men in the article is pretty damn sexist, true. But how is it any different from how men in groups behave towards one another? Just replace all the sexist jokes with gay jokes or sissy jokes or just about any other type of jokes men direct at one another to establish pecking orders within groups. Reading this, it doesn't…
I don't know what sort of places you've worked, but I've never experienced "hazing" at any of my jobs.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#13I will probably get shunned to death for asking this, but I must ask. The described behaviour of men in the article is pretty damn sexist, true. But how is it any different from how men in groups behave towards one another? Just replace all the sexist jokes with gay jokes or sissy jokes or just about any other type of jokes men direct at one another to establish pecking orders within groups. Reading this, it doesn't…
>But how is it any different than how men in groups behave towards one another? Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Not that the men on that site were necessarily going to rape the engineer, but it was certainly orders of magnitude more likely than them raping each other. For the record I understand your point and you might be right, she may well be being accepted, but I don't think it's really…
> Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other.
Women do not typically fear sexual violence from men either. Any woman I've ever asked "Do you really live in constant fear from rape as the internet activists suggest" has answered with "Not really, unless I'm going down a dark alley alone at night it doesn't really cross my mind"
But y'know, going down a dark alley alone at night, I'm pretty damn on guard myself and I'm a guy.
For the record: I have always felt americans (and anglosaxons in general) are orders of magnitude more afraid of the world than any other people I've ever spoken to. Men and women alike.
EDIT TO YOUR EDIT: > EDIT: and tbh in an ideal world men wouldn't have to face "hazing" (bullying) either. It's a pretty poor justification for women having to cope with a worse variant.
Ideal or not, hazing and bullying has worked for countless millennia to distinguish those you can rely on in a tight spot from those you cannot. The more dangerous the circumstances, the harder becoming accepted by a group seems to be. It's just how humans are.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#14Yep. Sounds like shop talk--amazing how things at machine shops, oil rigs, and construction sites can be very similar at times. The women I know that work in any of those fields tend to either ignore it or join in--depending on their mood. One wonders how things would be different were roles reversed--indeed, what sort of talk was common on factory floors during the world wars?
When a man walks into a predominantly female group, the behaviour is exactly the same, just the words are different. At least in my experience.
I would be interested in hearing about your experience.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#15Yep. Sounds like shop talk--amazing how things at machine shops, oil rigs, and construction sites can be very similar at times. The women I know that work in any of those fields tend to either ignore it or join in--depending on their mood. One wonders how things would be different were roles reversed--indeed, what sort of talk was common on factory floors during the world wars?
I did once in my youth avoid one end of the office were I briefly worked, for there was a mouthy, and by her own account sexually adventurous young woman--who was free in voicing her opinion of my looks. I used to run home from that office a couple of days a week, but made damn sure never to exit past her work area. That was a third of a century ago, and stands out in my mind, so the reverse case is apparently not that common.
Do women freely express their opinions of men among themselves? Certainly. But it is my desire and care to avoid overhearing them.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
When a man walks into a predominantly female group, the behaviour is exactly the same, just the words are different. At least in my experience.
I would be interested in hearing about your experience.
Well there are two.
1. I was out with a group of female friends. Them being 3 to 4 females who have known each other for ages, me being the newcomer. I got the distinct feeling that men are walking penises. (granted they were all in their early twenties)
2. Living with my mum and sister (and female cat). Every day I am reminded that a man is incapable of tying his own shoes without a woman's help. We are these helpless sort of creatures you know, women only put up with us out of the kindness of their hearts and because we're good for a lay now and then.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But how is it any different than how men in groups behave towards one another? Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Not that the men on that site were necessarily going to rape the engineer, but it was certainly orders of magnitude more likely than them raping each other. For the record I understand your point and you might be right, she may well be being accepted, but I don't think it's really…
> Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Women do not typically fear sexual violence from men either. Any woman I've ever asked "Do you really live in constant fear from rape as the internet activists suggest" has answered with "Not really, unless I'm going down a dark alley alone at night it doesn't really cross my mind" But y'know, going down a dark alley alone at night, I'm pretty damn on guard…
> For the record: I have always felt americans (and anglosaxons in general) are orders of magnitude more afraid of the world than any other people I've ever spoken to. Men and women alike.
You should qualify that by where you live. There are dangerous places and there are safer places. America is a bit more dangerous in many places than Europe.
I wouldn't let my wife walk alone at any time in India these days but I have no problem with her walking alone in Beijing in the middle of the night.
The world is vast.
Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But how is it any different than how men in groups behave towards one another? Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Not that the men on that site were necessarily going to rape the engineer, but it was certainly orders of magnitude more likely than them raping each other. For the record I understand your point and you might be right, she may well be being accepted, but I don't think it's really…
> Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Women do not typically fear sexual violence from men either. Any woman I've ever asked "Do you really live in constant fear from rape as the internet activists suggest" has answered with "Not really, unless I'm going down a dark alley alone at night it doesn't really cross my mind" But y'know, going down a dark alley alone at night, I'm pretty damn on guard…
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Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Women do not typically fear sexual violence from men either. Any woman I've ever asked "Do you really live in constant fear from rape as the internet activists suggest" has answered with "Not really, unless I'm going down a dark alley alone at night it doesn't really cross my mind" But y'know, going down a dark alley alone at night, I'm pretty damn on guard…
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Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role
#20I will probably get shunned to death for asking this, but I must ask. The described behaviour of men in the article is pretty damn sexist, true. But how is it any different from how men in groups behave towards one another? Just replace all the sexist jokes with gay jokes or sissy jokes or just about any other type of jokes men direct at one another to establish pecking orders within groups. Reading this, it doesn't…
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