Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

North Korea's silent football matches

bbc.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 56 posts

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#11

Post by DLay »

rikacomet wrote: post #2

As long as they don't nuke anyone, I believe North Koreans have every right to live as they want, no matter how strange/hilarious/unmeaning/suppressed their lifestyle may seem to us. EDIT: Explanation- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5694012

I'm sorry, did I miss the sarcasm in this post?

Please peruse these hand drawn pictures done by a North Korean defector depicting what life is like at one of their concentration camp--at your leisure, of course:

http://imgur.com/a/648Mv

http://www.northkoreanrefugees.com/2007-09-atbirth.htm

To add to that, North Koreans have this policy called "third generation punishment". If a person does something that's frowned upon, like complaining about food rations, he/she gets executed with the knowledge that three generations of his/her family will be tortured to death at the camps. Many times the family gets sent without knowing the original family members' crime, just that they are now prisoners. If someone is born there it is a lifetime of slavery.

---------------

"I believe North Koreans have every right to live as they want, no matter how strange/hilarious/unmeaning/suppressed their lifestyle may seem to us."

Do you wish to retract that statement now?

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#12

Post by rikacomet »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #10
rikacomet wrote: post #2

As long as they don't nuke anyone, I believe North Koreans have every right to live as they want, no matter how strange/hilarious/unmeaning/suppressed their lifestyle may seem to us. EDIT: Explanation- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5694012

So you really think if they just opened up the border to South Korea and let people go as they please, NO ONE would leave the glorious nation of North Korea because it's how they want to live?

and you believe that every last North Korean would go to South Korea, supposedly if that is true, you base this belief on?

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#13

Post by rikacomet »

DLay wrote: post #11
rikacomet wrote: post #2

As long as they don't nuke anyone, I believe North Koreans have every right to live as they want, no matter how strange/hilarious/unmeaning/suppressed their lifestyle may seem to us. EDIT: Explanation- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5694012

I'm sorry, did I miss the sarcasm in this post? Please peruse these hand drawn pictures done by a North Korean defector depicting what life is like at one of their concentration camp--at your leisure, of course: http://imgur.com/a/648Mv http://www.northkoreanrefugees.com/2007-09-atbirth.htm To add to that, North Koreans have this policy called "third generation punishment". If a person does something that's frowned u…

India has a policy called AFSPA, MCOCA, and POTA, that basically allow armed forces, not civil forces, to arrest, shoot, or kill any person without any trial, proof.

Prevalent in at least two states: J&K and Nagaland.

Turnout in last elections was near the national average. Rest is upto you to adjudge.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#14

Post by bluedevil2k »

rikacomet wrote: post #12
bluedevil2k wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you really think if they just opened up the border to South Korea and let people go as they please, NO ONE would leave the glorious nation of North Korea because it's how they want to live?

and you believe that every last North Korean would go to South Korea, supposedly if that is true, you base this belief on?

An adult's understanding of how people behave, and a parent's desire to give their children a better life...not a 21 year old's ignorant view of the world.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#15

Post by rikacomet »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #14
rikacomet wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and you believe that every last North Korean would go to South Korea, supposedly if that is true, you base this belief on?

An adult's understanding of how people behave, and a parent's desire to give their children a better life...not a 21 year old's ignorant view of the world.

And of all things, you had to go to my profile, and adjudge me ignorant, based on my age. Well, I don't mind that. Some people are built that way to find illogical reasons to deny someone's opinion.

People here, of all the people, know better that wisdom is not based on age. It is rare at young age, but not impossible.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#16

Post by cturner »

rikacomet wrote: post #7
kpierre wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't think any of the elites want to live the way they do, too. but they're stuck in the loop like everyone else.

and you both are saying that from experience? You know the elites, and the poor, more than what we have seen through the media? No, unless you are North Korean citizens for years, it is hard to grasp the truth. Of course, we all made this judgement, by comparing our life, and putting ourself in what NK's seem like living in right now, and adjudged that we would hate such a life, so the actual North Koreans must be ha…

Your first comment wasn't so good. But here you pose a great thought experiment.

To run with your point for a moment - it is possible to consider the idea of a caste system. Most hacker news readers would be disgusted at it, but you could imagine it being run humanely, and the people there would be content to live as they are.

Here's my rule zero of political freedom: do you live in fear of a knock on the door in the middle of the night?

So long as someone lives-and-lets-live, they should never need to live in fear of an authority with a power to arbitrarily do nasty things to them.

To me - that's valid for North Korea, The Lives of Others, middle eastern dictatorships, black helicopters, people who live in gangland Baltimore, domestic violence, children, pets, farm animals and the cold war.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#17

Post by RobinL »

rikacomet wrote: post #2

As long as they don't nuke anyone, I believe North Koreans have every right to live as they want, no matter how strange/hilarious/unmeaning/suppressed their lifestyle may seem to us. EDIT: Explanation- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5694012

You're assuming they live as they want to.

Read this and think again: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nothing-Envy-Lives-North-Korea/dp/18...

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#18

Post by cs648 »

rikacomet wrote: post #9
nodata wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe North Koreans have every _right_ to live as they want Do you realise that this article is highlighting the point that they _don't_ have this right?

and who exactly adjudged that, that they don't have this right? You? Me? Media? After having seen, what is the policy with foreign journalist? Do you say that any media report is 100% free of bias?

I think nodata is saying that the North Korean government has taken that right away from them.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#19

Post by rikacomet »

cturner wrote: post #16
rikacomet wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and you both are saying that from experience? You know the elites, and the poor, more than what we have seen through the media? No, unless you are North Korean citizens for years, it is hard to grasp the truth. Of course, we all made this judgement, by comparing our life, and putting ourself in what NK's seem like living in right now, and adjudged that we would hate such a life, so the actual North Koreans must be ha…

Your first comment wasn't so good. But here you pose a great thought experiment. To run with your point for a moment - it is possible to consider the idea of a caste system. Most hacker news readers would be disgusted at it, but you could imagine it being run humanely, and the people there would be content to live as they are. Here's my rule zero of political freedom: do you live in fear of a knock on the door in the…

Yes, you have a very good point regarding caste system. About first post being, not that good, well I got that feeling (haha) No shit!

well, there is a need for scrutiny, as to why there haven't been a popular revolt, against the government, if people are that oppressed, as we are being lead to believe.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#20

Post by rikacomet »

cs648 wrote: post #18
rikacomet wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and who exactly adjudged that, that they don't have this right? You? Me? Media? After having seen, what is the policy with foreign journalist? Do you say that any media report is 100% free of bias?

I think nodata is saying that the North Korean government has taken that right away from them.

And I think, I said it clearly, that what is the proof of, that right being taken away is something NK's want to fight for? even if what nodata said is true, that it is indeed being taken away.

The reporting of our own media? which are not being allowed into NK, or if they are, are they being allowed the time, freedom to scrutinize? And if someone would think, that because they are disallowing media, they have something to hide, while indeed they have! but would you allow your neighbor to come inside your house, and get the truth about any fight you had within your family?

Post reply on HN