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Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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In the first paragraph is the little gem : authority needs to a) know b) be honest c) care for anti-authoritarians to accept it.

> I know that degrees and credentials are primarily badges of compliance. Those with extended schooling have lived for many years in a world where one routinely conforms to the demands of authorities.

Yes! Wow. Just read the article - not a single idea I'd disagree with, except maybe the conclusion :

> Americans desperately need anti-authoritarians to question, challenge, and resist new illegitimate authorities and regain confidence in their own common sense

I don't know if anyone desperately needs anything.

However, the abc test to test how legitimate is the authority and how a diagnosis would be best explained by something this simple thing is something I'll keep.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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I don't like this article's groundless speculation about Albert Einstein, who is used as an unwilling poster child for dozens of causes without support in Einstein's actual biography. I have carefully read Einstein's longest autobiographical writing, and cite it on my personal website, http://learninfreedom.org/Nobel_hates_school.html and while it is indisputable that Einstein blew off some of his school homework, it…

I think your summation of this article is way off.

First - It was written by a lone PHd over a year before the NIMH blog post (which was written by a lone MD).

Second - I don't think this author was presenting his article as "the last word".

Lastly - The speculation on Einstein is grounded in comments by one of Einstein's biographers. I wouldn't call that groundless.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Wait, let me guess... As such, they are not allowed to buy weapons, right? How convenient...

Please tell me you don't actually want these folks armed.

Wait, weren't the people who fought to make America independent upset with the King's Authority? Would you not say, today, that they were anti-authorianists? Would you not say that an oppressive government would use such a "medical condition" to confiscate guns from people who disagreed with it?

Think hard about this, and ask yourself what you would have done in 1774: sided with the Revolutionaries, or sided with the Royalists.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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I sometimes ask mental health professionals what the converse of Oppositional Defiant Disorder is. At what point do we recognize a disorder in a child who is unnaturally compliant and obedient? No answer so far. I ask because I think I had this. When I was a young prodigy I had the mentality of a performing seal. It's true that some people have difficulty controlling themselves, and they do need help. But the lack of…

I think that you are right in that there is probably a disorder in that particular case, but seeing the lack of symmetry in general to be an indication of a problem seems off. As far as I can tell we don't expect such a symmetry in the rest of medicine. I don't think there is an opposite of lung cancer.

I'd agree in general, but when it comes to biology, the health of an organism seems entirely rooted in moderation.

Cancer is when your cells replicate too quickly and out of control. What's the opposite? When your cells don't replicate enough. Radiation sickness is what that looks like.

Dehydration is a serious problem, but so is over-hydration.

Insufficient oxygen will kill you, as will too much.

Bacterial infection can be a serious problem, but eliminating all bacteria from the body will also kill it.

Overactive immune systems are just as bad as underperforming ones. And on and on.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Wait, let me guess... As such, they are not allowed to buy weapons, right? How convenient...

Only if they've been involuntarily institutionalised, or you live in a state that does not respect the Second Amendment rights of its citizens (California or New York being the two relevant examples here).

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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I have a 13-year-old brother with ODD. And let me tell you, there is more to it than a healthy does of anti-authoritarianism.

We adopted my brother when he was 15 months old, and in his first year of life we suspect he was frequently neglected, leading to attachment issues. Basically, when an infant's needs are not met, they get distressed, and the more often this occurs, the more those neurological pathways become ingrained in their brains. Which means that people with a traumatic early childhood are much more sensitive to stimulus, feel threatened easily, and very quickly move into "survival mode". In survival mode, we will all lie, cheat or steal because our survival is at stake. Kids like my brother spent a disproportionate amount of their time in this state.

They also learn at that young age that their needs are not going to be met, and so they come to distrust authority and other people, focusing on looking out for themselves (since no one else is going to). They also tend to fail to internalize social norms and rules like being honest and the "golden rule". These sorts of tendencies can be considered anti-authoritarian, but it is a reactionary anti-authoritarianism, not a healthy, well-reasoned skepticism of prevailing authorities. The latter is healthy, the former is not.

So while it may be the case that anti-authoritarian individuals frequently are diagnosed a mentally ill, it is probably much more common that some kinds of mentally ill individuals happen to be anti-authoritarian. I.e. causation moves from certain types of mental illness to anti-authoritarianism. Basically, I'd like to say this is an interesting article, but please don't walk away thinking that the entire system is just a ploy by The Man to keep the Lisbeth Salanders of this world marginalized. It is much more complicated and difficult than that.

On a personal note, it can be very painful to love someone with issues like ODD. It requires loads of love, patience and restraint. It can also be very rewarding.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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Wait, let me guess... As such, they are not allowed to buy weapons, right? How convenient...

Please tell me you don't actually want these folks armed.

What do you mean "these folks"?

It could happen to any of us lawful gun owners with criteria this broad.

Re: Why Anti-Authoritarians are Diagnosed as Mentally Ill (2012)

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The TL:DR of this article, in D&D terms: Chaotic aligned people are being diagnosed as mentally ill by Lawful aligned people. Unfortunately, it's frequently Lawful-{Neutral|Evil} judging Chaotic-Good, which is a travesty.

Not only that, but the trend is cemented by the fact that only Lawful people are allowed to diagnose in the first place, so there is no checks or balances. In D&D, a few rolls could take care of that, but in the real world you'll get some hefty jail time... and a diagnosis.
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