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Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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We (as a society) allow techniques like Affirmative Action, that encourage [Insert whatever new name for Origination from Africa] to positions in schools, jobs, government, and elsewhere.

Women are found severely lacking in the tech sector, due to "bro-tard" style workplace and management. Not to mention, not many women graduate from the heavy tech degrees from universities.

Is this not why affirmative action was created in the first place?

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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No, it turns out that hiring someone because of their gender is discriminatory. Disqualifying all male candidates due to their gender is discriminatory, just as disqualifying all female candidates due to their gender is discriminatory.

That's what the article says. The problem is they want a diverse workforce. So the question becomes how do they hire for that?

The problem is they want a diverse workforce.

I'm sure the vast majority of companies want the exact same thing but there comes a point where you simply have to accept that we work in a significantly male dominated industry and to get to a point where more than 20% of your staff are female means you have to compromise somewhere in order to achieve that balance. Unfortunately that compromise isn't always going to be appropriate.

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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The original process the OP describes is exactly what many affirmative action opponents think AA does, that is only consider one demographic and ignore all the others.

If you want to open opportunities for women, you post the job notice in places where women will see it. That will get you qualified candidates, and if you find a women who is the best person for the job, you hire her.

edit: spelling

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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The problem is that this is discriminatory. If you are not hiring based solely on qualifications, and instead on gender, it is discriminating. If you were to switch the genders and say that you are only hiring men, it would be clearly sexist. However, if you do not accept well qualified men who would fit the job, it is seen as "breaking gender barriers". You should be hiring based on the applicant's experience, educa…

That's a fair point. It's hard to pin down why fewer women apply. Is it cultural, social, our industry? Are these things that a single company can sort out or change? How would you encourage or solve the problem of too few women applying, without crossing the ethical, gray, broad boundary of discrimination?

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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I think most people got this topic wrong, maybe because of all the promotion of women in IT, which mostly is good. If I was a woman, I'd rather apply for someone looking for a developer, than someone looking for a woman - because then I knew I was hired because of my skills and personality - not my gender. In legal terms, this is pretty much what you can do. You can hire a "person" not a person of a specific gender.

The issue is wanting a diverse work force. They want the benefits that a diverse work force can provide, and that includes adding women to the team [1].

So how do they hire for that without discriminating? I think it's a fair question, and one that shouldn't be ignored out of some perceived bias.

1. http://www.ncwit.org/ncwit-fact-sheet

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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Rather than such heavy-handed techniques trying to solve the surface problem, ask yourself these two questions: (i) what is the reason I want a female employee for this position? Just citing the gender imbalance in the company is not enough and is a weak argument, you have to explain that the additional effort in hiring a woman for this position is well-spent. This is the easy part, since this questions has been debated to death on HN and other forums.

The more important question is: (ii) Why is it hard to get a female interface designer (I have no clue but am assuming it is so) and what can you do to solve this problem? Trying to hire female programmers/designers is good but is an indirect method. Why don't you take your cool gear to your local middle schools, high schools, etc. and meet with future female programmers, to motivate them into this field.

Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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No, it turns out that hiring someone because of their gender is discriminatory. Disqualifying all male candidates due to their gender is discriminatory, just as disqualifying all female candidates due to their gender is discriminatory.

That's what the article says. The problem is they want a diverse workforce. So the question becomes how do they hire for that?

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Re: Turns out Hiring a Woman is Discriminatory

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How about you just keep hiring the best person for the job, but take care to be reflective and ensure you are fairly considering the female candidates... maybe make sure your female engineer is on the hiring committee?

Put another way, rather than trying to explicitly seek awesome female employees, just make sure the awesome female candidates don't slip through. I think execs often mistakenly think they can fix cultural issues by fiat, when what is really needed is dedication and time.

I think what constitutes imbalance also needs to be defined. If 10% of qualified engineering candidates are female does having 10% of your engineering staff be female constitute balance? I think the case could be made it does; however, in relation the birth ratio of our species is it certainly imbalance.

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