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Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by erikpukinskis »

These are great ideas for things to improve in Ember, but I don't understand how someone could start an Ember project without understanding 1) It's very new, and therefore very raw. And 2) You're gonna have to dig into the Ember source if you want to do anything beyond what you can see in the tutorials.

If you want a framework that can be used for a large, complex project without you having to do infrastructure work yourself, then you have to use a framework where someone has already done that, and there's an established organization that's in the "fixing little bugs caused by slight variations in developer use cases" stage. End of story.

Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by Gigablah »

ctvo wrote: post #9

Why is there drama for such a small community? Angular doesn't seem to suffer from these constant HN threads.

He's probably upset at investing in a pre-1.0 software (apparently he spent "weeks" making pagination work) and then finding out -- gasp! -- it isn't completely stable yet.

Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by ollysb »

Man this rings so true with me. Emberjs has so much promise but it is just so frustrating to work with. Every time I turn my head something fundamental seems to have changed (the router and now dependency injection). It does always seem like a good move but because the docs don't keep up it means you're suddenly googling solutions that don't work any more. Maybe a kickstarter would be a good way to get things stabilised? If yehuda etc. don't have the time maybe someone would like to step up and with some kickstarter money spend a few months getting up to speed with the project and getting it stable, docs done etc.

Edit: BTW my money is ready and waiting!

Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by 1qaz2wsx3edc »

AshleysBrain wrote: post #10

When you choose a framework, surely you have a responsibility to thoroughly review it to ensure it meets your needs? Your needs might include professional support. If none was advertised and you still chose it, why bemoan the fact it's missing?

This, back at 0.8.x, I choose Ember (over an array of frameworks), 4 weeks wasted fighting the framework. Switched to angular in under a day. Using ember is and continues to be filled with surprises. I don't like surprises in a framework.

Tom Dale said it himself, ember doesn't have enough manpower. I find it odd, that Dale & Katz, are unable to raise funds to increase the level of manpower on it. A simple kickstarter may help.

Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by [deleted] »

ollysb wrote: post #13

Man this rings so true with me. Emberjs has so much promise but it is just so frustrating to work with. Every time I turn my head something fundamental seems to have changed (the router and now dependency injection). It does always seem like a good move but because the docs don't keep up it means you're suddenly googling solutions that don't work any more. Maybe a kickstarter would be a good way to get things stabili…

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Re: Anonymous Open Letter to the Ember.js Core Team

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Post by asveikau »

ctvo wrote: post #9

Why is there drama for such a small community? Angular doesn't seem to suffer from these constant HN threads.

I am surprised by these threads too, and in general the ember vs angular turf wars. Maybe it's just that I don't work with this sort of thing often, but to me they look strikingly similar.

I'm trying to come up with similar software schisms: vi vs emacs? GNOME vs KDE? Linux vs BSD? C vs C++? C++ vs ObjC? All of these differences sound more substantive to me.

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