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Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by rimantas » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:50 PM UTC

utsmokingaces wrote: post #4

I am comparing PHP Frameworks vs Ruby on Rails because that is a closer and more relevant comparison. PHP frameworks such as Codeigniter are dead simple to use. They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has. I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework. Why hate on PHP when the popular and most successful website runs on it (facebook,…

Funny you mention performance headaches that Ruby on Rails has. Someone actually benchmarked PHP frameworks against Ruby frameworks, and guess which were faster? Video is here: http://www.merbcamp.com/video/katz3.mp4 Slides are here: http://www.slideshare.net/wycats/merb-camp-keynote-presentat...

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by scorxn » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:51 PM UTC

doggins wrote: post #3

I'm no PHP fan, but you Ruby people really are insufferably pretentious cocks.

Just the insecure ones. If someone charismatic were to write and present "PHP: The Good Parts," it'd suddenly be in style among the tool polishers again.

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by randallsquared » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:52 PM UTC

utsmokingaces wrote: post #4

I am comparing PHP Frameworks vs Ruby on Rails because that is a closer and more relevant comparison. PHP frameworks such as Codeigniter are dead simple to use. They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has. I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework. Why hate on PHP when the popular and most successful website runs on it (facebook,…

"I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework."

Um, what? No. RoR is rather late to that game. You might be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller#Implement...

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by jon_dahl » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:52 PM UTC

doggins wrote: post #3

I'm no PHP fan, but you Ruby people really are insufferably pretentious cocks.

There are a-holes that use every language. Ruby actually had a reputation of being a really nice community until about 2007, and most of those people are still around (despite the influx of some less savory types).

Personally, I really wish developers didn't get stereotyped based on their programming language of choice, and communities weren't pigeonholed based on a few loud members.

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by nir » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:56 PM UTC

callmeed wrote: post #6

utsmokingaces wrote: post #4

I am comparing PHP Frameworks vs Ruby on Rails because that is a closer and more relevant comparison. PHP frameworks such as Codeigniter are dead simple to use. They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has. I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework. Why hate on PHP when the popular and most successful website runs on it (facebook,…

Never worry about scaling? That's silly.

It says "They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has". From my experience, it's true, even with Passenger (though much better than before).

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by jmtame » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:59 PM UTC

utsmokingaces wrote: post #4

I am comparing PHP Frameworks vs Ruby on Rails because that is a closer and more relevant comparison. PHP frameworks such as Codeigniter are dead simple to use. They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has. I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework. Why hate on PHP when the popular and most successful website runs on it (facebook,…

The fact is, both ROR and PHP are good in different scenarios. CodeIgniter allowed me to build HnDir.com in <8 hours, and I'm using ROR on my current project. But this constant bashing of the other language treating it like PC vs Mac is just absurd.

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by mtpark » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 3:59 PM UTC

mannicken wrote: post #2

it "should score 0 for gutter game" do 20.times { @bowling.hit(0) } @bowling.score.should == 0 end Wow, Ruby/RSpec really sucks. And by sucks I mean "reads like a natural language and rules".

Without taking sides, why is this being voted down?

Your opinion that this snippet reads like a natural language and is therefore useful is well taken.

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by Raphael_Amiard » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 4:03 PM UTC

doggins wrote: post #3

I'm no PHP fan, but you Ruby people really are insufferably pretentious cocks.

I'm maybe not getting the HN philosophy, but this kind of useless posts should better be voted down than up in my opinion. You bring nothing new to the table except your useless hate about what the author has to say.

I'm no php fan either, neither a Ruby one. I'm not that involved into language wars to be honest. To my naïve eye, this article just sounds satiric and fun. It's not meant to be serious, and, no matter what is your definition of fun, i find it hard to take that personnally.

Also, if you really want to take this article seriously, there is quite a bit of consensus around the fact that PHP has MANY shortcomings that are not present in other dynamic languages. I won't argue in lengths about that, but if you replace "Ruby" by "Python" here, the article doesn't change a lot.

So if you're really offended by this - fun - post enough to register on HN just to post a troll about it (what is to be digged up in this guys seriously, the part about cocks ? duh ..), why don't you chill up, grab a beer, and forget about computers for a moment ?

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by chaostheory » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 4:05 PM UTC

utsmokingaces wrote: post #4

I am comparing PHP Frameworks vs Ruby on Rails because that is a closer and more relevant comparison. PHP frameworks such as Codeigniter are dead simple to use. They do not have the deployment, scaling, and performance headaches that Ruby On Rails has. I don't get why people worship ROR, maybe because it is the original MVC framework. Why hate on PHP when the popular and most successful website runs on it (facebook,…

the problem with most PHP frameworks (symfony, cake, yes even code igniter) is that they are much slower than Rails (by at least 4x). They don't buy you anything unless you're not willing to learn anything beyond PHP. in terms of deployment, you don't have to use capistrano; if you want you can manually deploy rails like php

another problem with PHP compared to x language is that it's too web centric; it's just not flexible enough

imho You're better off either using Rails or Django, but thats me

Re: Why PHP is Still Better than Ruby

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Post by jmtame » Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 4:12 PM UTC

Raphael_Amiard wrote: post #18

doggins wrote: post #3

I'm no PHP fan, but you Ruby people really are insufferably pretentious cocks.

I'm maybe not getting the HN philosophy, but this kind of useless posts should better be voted down than up in my opinion. You bring nothing new to the table except your useless hate about what the author has to say. I'm no php fan either, neither a Ruby one. I'm not that involved into language wars to be honest. To my naïve eye, this article just sounds satiric and fun. It's not meant to be serious, and, no matter w…

I think this type of thread needs flagged and removed altogether. It serves no intellectual purpose, I personally don't like reading stuff that's presented in this type of way.

*Edit: thanks for deleting this. I don't see anything wrong with pointing out the differences between ROR and PHP, but the trolling is getting old.