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Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

#11

With the coverage the Bitcoin exchange rate has been getting, this was just a matter of time.

I see WU looking at things like Bitcoin more to minimize transmission time and interbank exchange fees on the foreign exchange market. WU can then control the float time and the margins on exchange rates.

I do not believe so - interbank transfers are nearly instantaneous and cheap, especially for a firm like Western Union. The meatier costs are from anti-fraud and anti-money laundering.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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I see WU looking at things like Bitcoin more to minimize transmission time and interbank exchange fees on the foreign exchange market. WU can then control the float time and the margins on exchange rates.

I do not believe so - interbank transfers are nearly instantaneous and cheap, especially for a firm like Western Union. The meatier costs are from anti-fraud and anti-money laundering.

Actually, the majority of their costs come from direct agent fees and commissions. These fee costs are lower for transactions that originate online, but most don't; of transactions that do originate online, most are terminated by agents that pay out in cash, and are compensated for that. Compliance costs are huge, but they are a fraction of agent fees. It might be said, however, that a good percentage of those fees are to compensate the agent for their compliance activities; a lot of the Western Union's customer contact is handled by the agents, including compliance events.

All of that being said, Bitcoin eliminates or at least reduces many of those costs, in that delivery and receipt of payment can proceed without the involvement of the agent. And FinCEN, with its determination that institutional bitcoin services must be handled by a money transmitter, has just created a barrer to entry that WU is well inside of.

I concur with you, however, that interbank fees are a minimal component of their cost. Also, transfers processed by WU and its competitors are usually instantaneous from the point of view of their customers (part of the value they bring is the massive network of paying and receiving terminals that exist worldwide).

Source: I was the head of IT and operations for a money transmitter in a previous life.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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If bitcoin is going to be here in 2 years then I think it's undervalued. In some exchange it has reached past $111

Where about do you think it ought to be valued? Personally, as a completely casual observer, the current valuation seems incredibly high and unsustainable, but I'll admit that's an uninformed gut reaction.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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post #15

If bitcoin is going to be here in 2 years then I think it's undervalued. In some exchange it has reached past $111

Where about do you think it ought to be valued? Personally, as a completely casual observer, the current valuation seems incredibly high and unsustainable, but I'll admit that's an uninformed gut reaction.

Due to the limit on the amount of bitcoins that can ever exist, for them to move a really large amount of wealth around the world they will have to be heavily subdivided, making each whole bitcoin necessarily worth a lot more than $100. Do the maths, it rapidly becomes obvious.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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post #15

If bitcoin is going to be here in 2 years then I think it's undervalued. In some exchange it has reached past $111

Where about do you think it ought to be valued? Personally, as a completely casual observer, the current valuation seems incredibly high and unsustainable, but I'll admit that's an uninformed gut reaction.

Depends what you mean. Are you saying it's overvalued because the current economy of Bitcoin is not strong enough to make it worth $100, or are you saying a Bitcoin ever being worth $100 is already too much? Because Bitcoin has the potential to be worth millions of dollars/unit:

http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin...

Whether that will ever happen, or if it will happen in the next few decades, it remains to be seen. But the point is a Bitcoin does have the potential to be worth a lot per unit. It all depends on how many people and businesses are going to use it in the future. If you look at it like that, Bitcoin hasn't even scratched the surface of its potential.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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Buying bitcoins is a convoluted process especially outside of USA. Western union certainly has infrastructure to speed-up this process for anyone who is willing to pay their outrageous fees.

And to your point, this could be their new competitive advantage.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Perhaps he meant sploosh: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls5fsESx61qi7deco1_250.gi... Edit: Lol.. not sure why I was downvoted. It is obvious the previous poster meant that bitcoin is over-the-heads of employees of Western Union... this was a play on that. HN is a hideous bitch goddess.

It's also the type of discourse many of us would prefer to keep off of this site. Keep it to reddit, please.

Re: Western Union May Offer Digital Currency Services Similar to Bitcoin

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To which I think the only response to Western Union can be: Whoosh.

Why?

Because it's sort of like an old-time telegraph company saying, "Telephones? Hey, let's get in on this by offering a service where we transcribe telephone conversations and send them out to the other party as a telegraph." In other words, totally missing the point.
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