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Standups are Poisonous

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Re: Standups are Poisonous

#11
In my experience while standups are often tedious and need to be kept short, if someone wishes to stop having them or seeks to avoid them it is a worrying sign for a team player.

If the person in question can't be coached to collaborate with others then a role where they can be a sole contributor may be better.

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#12
If you have a six person team and you all speak for half an hour then you are definitely doing it wrong. You should ideally speak for no more than a couple of minutes.

Standups that routinely last longer than 15 minutes need to be corrected. Either split the team, don't have everyone talk every day or find some other way to cut time.

An email is not a terrible substitute if someone is working from home, but part of the value of a standup is that you can quickly ask questions and get answers right there and then.

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#13
A group email to the team asking, "What are you working on today? What are your obstacles?" with a reply-all is actually pretty helpful. Even better, character limits (like less than 300 char) and time limits (like reply by noon).

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#14
The best "agile" project I've been on had standups around lunch. The team was geographically scattered so this meant early afternoon for some. Worked fine.

In my experience keeping standups under 15min is the easiest part of the process.

Turning the standup into paperwork seems insane to me.

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#15

If you have a six person team and you all speak for half an hour then you are definitely doing it wrong. You should ideally speak for no more than a couple of minutes. Standups that routinely last longer than 15 minutes need to be corrected. Either split the team, don't have everyone talk every day or find some other way to cut time. An email is not a terrible substitute if someone is working from home, but part of t…

I think the original writer means 30min of wasted time for six people, not 30min ranting per person.

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#16
This is why I moved our standup to Skype. Even if people are away from their computer, you can join a group chat via Skype mobile from the car (handsfree of course). I agree with some of the other points, but if you start to get a good rhythm on how the meeting is run, overages can be minimized. I couldn't imagine not doing this meeting at least as virtual meeting. The last thing I need is to be archiving E-Mails as PDFs.

Re: Standups are Poisonous

#17
Simple answer: You're doing it wrong.

The standup (in Scrum at least) should be three questions everybody answers: What you did yesterday, what you're doing today, any blockers? This should take a team less than 10 minutes easily.

These meetings are not supposed to generate actions points, or problem solve, or discuss anything. They are merely supposed to make sure everybody knows what's going on.

Follow up specifics later with only the people who need to be involved.

The time of the standup should be set by the team not imposed on them. Consensus is needed.

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#18

This guy is seriously suggesting replacing stand-ups with management and paperwork? There's something very wrong here, but that was already clear from the objections. "30 minutes", "action points", "notes", "weekly update"? Seriously, I know that "you're not doing it right" is the standard lame excuse from Scrum-evangelists, but this paints a picture of doing pretty much the opposite of Scrum. Especially the emphasis…

This is exactly how we do things where I work. We're a pretty big team (about 12) and our standups are finished in 10 to 15 minutes. It's strictly time-boxed and we don't go over.

If you can't make it, we have a phone set up in the middle of the table for people to call in, or you can email someone on the team and they will say your standup for you.

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#19

This guy is seriously suggesting replacing stand-ups with management and paperwork? There's something very wrong here, but that was already clear from the objections. "30 minutes", "action points", "notes", "weekly update"? Seriously, I know that "you're not doing it right" is the standard lame excuse from Scrum-evangelists, but this paints a picture of doing pretty much the opposite of Scrum. Especially the emphasis…

The scrum can be any time of the day that's convenient. At my last place we used to do one just before lunchtime. Definitely a good way to keep it short...

Re: Standups are Poisonous

#20

This guy is seriously suggesting replacing stand-ups with management and paperwork? There's something very wrong here, but that was already clear from the objections. "30 minutes", "action points", "notes", "weekly update"? Seriously, I know that "you're not doing it right" is the standard lame excuse from Scrum-evangelists, but this paints a picture of doing pretty much the opposite of Scrum. Especially the emphasis…

The scrum can be any time of the day that's convenient. At my last place we used to do one just before lunchtime. Definitely a good way to keep it short...
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