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Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Surely a one bedroom place is the least efficient way to live? Also, bear in mind most people live in couples, so if there's two of you, a combined income of $100,000 is very reasonable, and you should be able to live anywhere here.

Ah, if only SF housing was so simple.

> "$100,000 is very reasonable, and you should be able to live anywhere here."

$100K is really not total-freedom money in a city like SF. Take the FiDi and Mission Bay for example - $3200/month for a 1BR means $38,400 in rent every year.

That's spending $39% of your pre-tax income on rent, a deeply inadvisable amount, if any sane landlord would even allow it. Even if we drop the rent to $2500 to open up options in the Haight, Castro, and Mission, we're still talking about $30K in pure rent.

Nowadays I'm in NYC, where no sane landlord will let you break the 40X Rule, where your monthly rent multiplied by 40 may not exceed your pre-tax annual income. On $100K that's $2500 a month - and that's an absolute upper bound rent. $2500 is totally feasible in SF, but you definitely won't have your pick of apartments. A income of $100K would be well-advised to stay under $2500, where pickings are increasingly slim.

> "Also, bear in mind most people live in couples"

Citation needed. I know a lot of people who have roommates in SF, but SF is a notoriously single city. I'd be extremely surprised if >50% of SF's population is living with a spouse or partner.

Some quick Google-fu:

In fact, it looks like as of the 2000 census[1] that 38% of the city lived alone, and 56% of households do not have a spouse or partner living there. I wouldn't call that "most people".

[1] http://sanfrancisco.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm

Side note: it's crazy that you can rent places in good parts of Manhattan for cheaper than parts of SF these days.

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Great map, but the financials are a bit misleading. Maybe a note qualifying the salary numbers with a message indicating that the stated number is more of a minimum would help. Take Mission for example - would you really spend $2250 per month rent on an 82,000 salary? That's nearly 2 weeks' take-home pay after taxes. Good financial practice says that your rent/mortgage should only be 1 week's take-home pay. A respons…

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Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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post #10

Great map, but the financials are a bit misleading. Maybe a note qualifying the salary numbers with a message indicating that the stated number is more of a minimum would help. Take Mission for example - would you really spend $2250 per month rent on an 82,000 salary? That's nearly 2 weeks' take-home pay after taxes. Good financial practice says that your rent/mortgage should only be 1 week's take-home pay. A respons…

I don't know what it is in SF, but the rule in NY is 40x monthly salary; you'd need $90k here for a $2250 rental.

It's pretty tight if your rent is two months salary, but here where it generally covers heat and water, the saving from not owning a car makes up for it.

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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post #10

Great map, but the financials are a bit misleading. Maybe a note qualifying the salary numbers with a message indicating that the stated number is more of a minimum would help. Take Mission for example - would you really spend $2250 per month rent on an 82,000 salary? That's nearly 2 weeks' take-home pay after taxes. Good financial practice says that your rent/mortgage should only be 1 week's take-home pay. A respons…

"most likely you can afford to live here"

Seems like a good enough qualifier. Especially since these are median prices, so cheaper rents are to be found.

not actually. SF is nuts.

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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The data not reflected here is the housing quality for the given price, and included features. For example most of these locations East of the park probably don't have parking, which could be an additional hundreds of dollars per month, if it's even available.

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Some other related statistics I thought were interesting:

According to the Census, the median household income in SF was $72,947. According to census data from 2007-2011, approximately 1/3 of SF residents make over 100k. There's a notable doubling of households making >200k between 2000 and 2011, from ~20k to ~42k.

Based on the two datasets, it seems like 2/3rds of the population of SF either cannot or can only barely afford to live in the city.

I for one am ready for the rent bubble to pop.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0667000.html http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/... http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/...

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Very cool. I wish there was a time dimension on this. Also, would love to see Berkeley/Oakland. SOMA was actually one of the best values merely 5 yrs ago. My friends got a huge 1BR loft with parking spot for 2500. Granted they had no rent control and got effectively evicted when the rent increased to 3300. So maybe it wasn't the best value afterall.

Re: Median Rent SF: One Bedroom Apartment Map

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Surely a one bedroom place is the least efficient way to live? Also, bear in mind most people live in couples, so if there's two of you, a combined income of $100,000 is very reasonable, and you should be able to live anywhere here.

Ah, if only SF housing was so simple. > "$100,000 is very reasonable, and you should be able to live anywhere here." $100K is really not total-freedom money in a city like SF. Take the FiDi and Mission Bay for example - $3200/month for a 1BR means $38,400 in rent every year. That's spending $39% of your pre-tax income on rent, a deeply inadvisable amount, if any sane landlord would even allow it. Even if we drop the…

> I'd be extremely surprised if >50% of SF's population is living with a spouse or partner.

I think when the grandparent said "living in couples" they mean "in pairs" not "romantically engaged." Most well-to-do SFers I know live with 1+ roommate. That's all they're saying. A 2(+) BR apartment cuts costs per person because you share the "core" (kitchen, bathroom, living room).

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