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72% Of Professors Who Teach Online Courses Don't Think Students Deserve Credit

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Re: 72% Of Professors Who Teach Online Courses Don't Think Students Deserve Credit

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I'm taking the UC Berkeley class in AI through edx.com and I can see why you wouldn't want to offer credit. It would be way to easy to cheat without having some paid testing company giving tests like they do for certification exams. But it is a great resource for surveying a discipline and seeing how its taught in a major university. I don't see any reason why they couldn't make it work for the kind of massive introd…

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72 percent of professors who have taught Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) don’t believe that students should get official college credit ... which means the actual number of professors who discount the quality of MOOCs is probably much (much) higher.

They are making a huge unwarranted leap when they go from a professor thinking someone doesn't deserve official credit to saying that the quality of a course is low.

The issue is one of accountability, not quality. The quality of many of these courses is very high, but there are not yet good mechanisms in place to certify the learning for a student is actually happening, and that is why they shouldn't be accompanied by credit.

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I'm taking the UC Berkeley class in AI through edx.com and I can see why you wouldn't want to offer credit. It would be way to easy to cheat without having some paid testing company giving tests like they do for certification exams. But it is a great resource for surveying a discipline and seeing how its taught in a major university. I don't see any reason why they couldn't make it work for the kind of massive introd…

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Copied from my comment on an earlier posting of the same story- From the original article- "However, it's worth noting that more than a quarter of the professors felt that their successful MOOC students do deserve credit. Those respondents include faculty members at Penn, Princeton, Duke, and Stanford. Most of them led courses that were oriented to math, science, and engineering." Which makes sense, those are subject…

Exactly. I've done some from Udacity and not cheated (what would be the point in taking it otherwise?), but though they were hard enough and I felt a sense of accomplishment, I don't think I deserve actual credit. It's on my CV, but in the 'miscellaneous' section, not where my actual qualifications are - exactly where (I imagine) I'd put a class that I audited, US-style.

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Even if you don't get "real" MIT credit, a certificate of completion from some of the courses is worth more than credit people get at some universities.

I think a potential employer would be able to sniff out somebody unqualified pretty quickly - but at least taking and completing the course shows a certain determination... maybe that's what needs acknowledging instead.

Re: 72% Of Professors Who Teach Online Courses Don't Think Students Deserve Credit

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72 percent of professors who have taught Massive Open Online Courses (MOOCs) don’t believe that students should get official college credit ... which means the actual number of professors who discount the quality of MOOCs is probably much (much) higher. They are making a huge unwarranted leap when they go from a professor thinking someone doesn't deserve official credit to saying that the quality of a course is low.…

It's also worth noting that most current MOOCs were designed and implemented before there was any chance of getting college credit through their platform. Many of them chose to dilute their content in order to make it more approachable, and not to focus on delivering 1:1 parity with the in-person class.

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A few points after reading the original article from The Chronicle of Higher Education:

They spend a bit of time talking about how much work went into creating the courses. Of course it takes a lot of time, but you get the payback when you run it the second time, the third time etc. I'm surprised this was not mentioned.

Also, they mentioned that Robert Sedgewick of Princeton didn't wanted to be beaten to the punch creating a MOOC algorithm course. But he already was. Tim Roughgarden of Stanford gave the first course as far as I know. I took both part 1 and part 2 of his course, and both were excellent (more here: http://henrikwarne.com/2013/02/18/coursera-algorithms-course...)

Finally, Clay Shirky wrote a good piece on MOOCs a while a go: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the... One of the points he makes is that producing "live" lectures (as opposed to using MOOCs) at a university is a little like only assigning books that the professor giving the lecture has written. Of course you want the best book on the subject, regardless of who wrote it. The same goes for a lecture on the subject. His article is well worth reading.

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"I think universities are completely obsolete. There’s very little that goes on at a university that can’t be done better otherwise. The biggest raison d’être for the present system is the security of the professor. Once you eliminate the obsolete structure and the emphasis on earning a living, people will go to the university because they want to use themselves and explore their wonderful capabilities. Humanity will carry on beautifully if you don’t mix them up with earning a living. We’ll make wonderful use of those buildings and all that equipment. They’ve been living on the idea of monopolizing the information, but now they see the time coming when the big idea will be to proliferate it and try to see that everybody gets to share it." -- Buckminster Fuller (1972)
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