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What really happened at PyCon 2013

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Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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I hope it's a good message that there were only 2 problems PyCon staff had to deal with - but I wish the current shitstorm had stopped here: http://pycon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappr...

Do we know that those pertain to the same incident? It seems likely to me that they don't.

Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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Thank you for posting this. I wasn't at PyCon 2013, but I really wish the discussion would get back to the fact that 99% of what happens when technical people get together is positive and cool. It's really sad that the ridiculous 1% gets so much attention. I actually don't think technology people are that bad, not as a class. Most types of ambitious male business people are a lot more vulgar and perverse than the tec…

That's an interesting point. I don't have any real basis to generalize, but I have been in a number of situations where business people think that tech people are too politically correct. Coming from a general view that tech isn't really a role model in that category to begin with, that was surprising to encounter.

My limited time in Europe suggests that European culture on the whole is less attentive on this subject as well. Rather notable lapses in that category also occasionally make HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3975588) but usually it somehow avoids the radar, perhaps due to Europe otherwise having a reputation as progressive/liberal.

Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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Thank you for posting this. I wasn't at PyCon 2013, but I really wish the discussion would get back to the fact that 99% of what happens when technical people get together is positive and cool. It's really sad that the ridiculous 1% gets so much attention. I actually don't think technology people are that bad, not as a class. Most types of ambitious male business people are a lot more vulgar and perverse than the tec…

That's an interesting point. I don't have any real basis to generalize, but I have been in a number of situations where business people think that tech people are too politically correct. Coming from a general view that tech isn't really a role model in that category to begin with, that was surprising to encounter. My limited time in Europe suggests that European culture on the whole is less attentive on this subject…

The truth, which is ugly, is that the white-collar Work culture that has existed for over 200 years is based on some extremely sexist assumptions. It's designed in a way that makes it very difficult for women to fit in, in any stable and reliable way. Additionally, most of the things about Work that make it hard for women are also deeply defective attributes (e.g. male dominance hierarchies) of it that are maladaptive in the 21st century.

Technology is still defective, but it's less-so than most other industries.

The difference, and the reason there are fewer women in technology than the more defective culture of banking, is that technology's appeal is to risk-seekers and idealists... who tend in this particular context, for a variety of (probably cultural) reasons, to be men.

To the extent that technology has problems, most of that comes from tech executives who swoop in to take advantage of idealistic (and socially awkward) tech people, then encourage an imbalanced and nasty culture.

Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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post #9

I hope it's a good message that there were only 2 problems PyCon staff had to deal with - but I wish the current shitstorm had stopped here: http://pycon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappr...

Do we know that those pertain to the same incident? It seems likely to me that they don't.

They don't. One was at the testing BoF. http://term.ie/blog/how-to-get-banned-from-pycon/

Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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Thank you for posting this. I wasn't at PyCon 2013, but I really wish the discussion would get back to the fact that 99% of what happens when technical people get together is positive and cool. It's really sad that the ridiculous 1% gets so much attention. I actually don't think technology people are that bad, not as a class. Most types of ambitious male business people are a lot more vulgar and perverse than the tec…

Totally agree. So much going on today makes a bad name for everybody in the startup/tech community :{

Re: What really happened at PyCon 2013

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I really enjoyed Pycon. I had never attended a Pycon, nor dealt with the Python community at large but the day I listened to Jesse Noller's keynote I knew I was in the right place. He discussed the values of teaching children, being an inclusive community, and philanthropy. I thought I was attending to get my Python on and discovered the warm fluffy side of a beautiful community. These people really mean well.

At Pycon I met the developers and project maintainers of high-profile projects I use all of the time like Django and SQLAlchemy. Heck, I paid $150 to receive classroom training from Mike Bayer himself. How inexpensive is that to receive training from the developer and maintainer of SQLAlchemy himself?

The tutorials were incredibly useful, the keynotes moving (Noller, Hettinger, etc.), the sessions well-produced and all of the speakers well-spoken.

I feel like we stole my ticket for as inexpensive as the trip was for me and several developers our company drug along.

How did they do? Awesome. I would like to say thank you to the PSF for such an incredible conference. My entire dev staff will be attending next year!

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