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Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by EwanToo »

josteink wrote: post #2

I'd love for there to be some more competition in mobile space, because currently there's just iOS and Android beating it out, and honestly, looking at the stats Android is crushing iOS flat. It wont be long before we have a complete Android monoculture. And that is bad. So far RIM's BlackBerry 10 and MS's Windows 8/RT ventures haven't made a single dent in the mobile space and we do need some serious competition to…

mtgx, if you're reading this, it seems someone has marked you as [dead] for the last few hours, no idea why..

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by thelukester »

lucian1900 wrote: post #5
slacka wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you said except the Firefox OS part. For me the biggest issue I have with my iPhone is being locked into the Apple ecosystem. I want browser choice but am forced to use Apple's WebKit. With FF OS, I am locked in Mozilla browser and worse yet no native apps. With android what I miss from iOS is truely native performance. Even with CM jellybean on my SGS 2 it feels slower than my 4 year old much…

Firefox OS has native apps and of course allows alternate browsers.

WRONG on both counts. Firefox OS only allows apps to run under its javascript VM engine. Under no way shape or form can you compare the performance of a native app to those running under a javascript VM.

Since Firefox OS limits you to running HTML5 apps, the best you can do is create a new skin for Mozilla's browser. The same limitation that iOS imposes on its users.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by dragontamer »

The offset of Maemo that turned into Meego and now had another name change to Tizen. To be fair, Intel always knew they couldn't do this project alone, and when Nokia dropped support for Meego a few years ago, the whole project looked dead. Samsung came along, took up the mantel, and then rebranded the project to Tizen. Frankly, Meego prototype UI looked better.

Mobile carriers want something less restrictive than iOS and Windows Phone... but something that differentiates themselves from Android.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by j_s »

dragontamer wrote: post #14

The offset of Maemo that turned into Meego and now had another name change to Tizen. To be fair, Intel always knew they couldn't do this project alone, and when Nokia dropped support for Meego a few years ago, the whole project looked dead. Samsung came along, took up the mantel, and then rebranded the project to Tizen. Frankly, Meego prototype UI looked better. Mobile carriers want something less restrictive than iO…

Thanks for providing some context, I had no idea what this was and their blog is having popularity issues.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by corresation »

criley wrote: post #7
josteink wrote: post #2

I'd love for there to be some more competition in mobile space, because currently there's just iOS and Android beating it out, and honestly, looking at the stats Android is crushing iOS flat. It wont be long before we have a complete Android monoculture. And that is bad. So far RIM's BlackBerry 10 and MS's Windows 8/RT ventures haven't made a single dent in the mobile space and we do need some serious competition to…

> and honestly, looking at the stats Android is crushing iOS flat. As an Android user, I think you've misanalyzed the stats: - Despite being a far smaller population, iOS users represent a majority of mobile internet users - Despite being a far smaller population, iOS users represent a majority of mobile spending on apps I don't know what Android you're using, but my Android still has over half of it's entire install…

Despite being a far smaller population

You're conflating markets. iOS is a marginally smaller deployed base of mobile smartphones, but is neck and neck if not in the lead when you factor in the iPads and iPod Touches.

As to actual web usage, however - http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201202-20130...

For over a year now Android has held the lead. So what now?

As an Android user-- where's Mailbox?

Why would you want Mailbox? Mailbox is essentially a clone of the Android gmail client on iOS where a decent client wasn't available. Mailbox is a non-starter on Android because the need isn't there.

Android isn't "winning" anything outright except for the budget smartphone market.

You quote "winning" in John Gruber style despite it not even appearing in the post you reply to. Further the "budget smartphone" nonsense is nonsense, as the top Android smartphones, time and time again, are the top tier devices like the GS3 and the HTC Ones.

EDIT: I can see your reply however you are marked as DEAD criley (there are a rash of dead people all across HN for some reason today. Technical malfunction? Zombie day?). However to your response, firstly I merely responded to your incorrect facts so I'm not sure why you retort as if you're put off by a fanboy. Secondly, the #1 description of Mailbox is simply as a better gmail client for iOS, oft compared, exactly as I mentioned, to the Android gmail client (with swipe to archive, etc).

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by pjmlp »

smogzer wrote: post #6

I don't get all the development... so is this like an html5 player ? linux + some webkit ? what's the novelty ? Again a bunch of developers working for free on Samsung (20% of SK GDP) plan C mobile phone OS ?

It seems they are moving Bada to Tizen.

The native SDK seems to be the former Bada C++ SDK, which is a brain dead idea as Bada C++ uses a C++ dialect similar to Symbian C++.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by simonh »

josteink wrote: post #2

I'd love for there to be some more competition in mobile space, because currently there's just iOS and Android beating it out, and honestly, looking at the stats Android is crushing iOS flat. It wont be long before we have a complete Android monoculture. And that is bad. So far RIM's BlackBerry 10 and MS's Windows 8/RT ventures haven't made a single dent in the mobile space and we do need some serious competition to…

If being crushed flat means earning $40Bn a year in profits and commanding the most lucrative and innovative end of the mobile app market, then run me over with a steamroller.

Android and iOS are doing fine. Yes more Android phones are being sold than iPhones, but iPhone has a loyal customer base and a great ecosystem. Yes iOS dominates the tablet market, but Android tablets are finally getting good traction and have a respectable showing of apps.

The people who are getting crushed flat are Microsoft and Blackberry, and maybe a few others. It might be nice to have a third player in smartphone OS market, but I don't think it's necessary. Android and iOS provide good competition for each other without overly fragmenting the market for App developers.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by criley »

corresation wrote: post #16
criley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and honestly, looking at the stats Android is crushing iOS flat. As an Android user, I think you've misanalyzed the stats: - Despite being a far smaller population, iOS users represent a majority of mobile internet users - Despite being a far smaller population, iOS users represent a majority of mobile spending on apps I don't know what Android you're using, but my Android still has over half of it's entire install…

Despite being a far smaller population You're conflating markets. iOS is a marginally smaller deployed base of mobile smartphones, but is neck and neck if not in the lead when you factor in the iPads and iPod Touches. As to actual web usage, however - http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201202-20130... For over a year now Android has held the lead. So what now? As an Android user-- where's Mailbox? Why wo…

I'm not interested in an iOS/Android debate -- that's what Reddit is for (I guess I shouldn't have opened this can of worms here, sorry), but I will say this:

>Mailbox is essentially a clone of the Android gmail client on iOS where a decent client wasn't available

You fundamentally don't understand Mailbox and I recommend learning about it before using that silly line again. That, or Google transformed Gmail into a deferred zero inbox app without telling anyone.

Re: Tizen 2.0 Magnolia SDK and Source Code Release

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Post by josteink »

lucian1900 wrote: post #5
slacka wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you said except the Firefox OS part. For me the biggest issue I have with my iPhone is being locked into the Apple ecosystem. I want browser choice but am forced to use Apple's WebKit. With FF OS, I am locked in Mozilla browser and worse yet no native apps. With android what I miss from iOS is truely native performance. Even with CM jellybean on my SGS 2 it feels slower than my 4 year old much…

Firefox OS has native apps and of course allows alternate browsers.

Not so much. The whole point of FirefoxOS is that the browser (Firefox) is the OS. Everything else on top is built on HTML and run by the browser.

Guess what the browser app is? It's pretty much just a HTML-app letting you set the location a iframe container should point to. It really is HTML all the way down.

Lots of people look at this as some sort of lock-in, because hey! you can't switch browser. Which is sorta true.

But IMO they miss the point: Firefox OS is about the opposite of lock-in: It is all about promoting openness and standards on an application-level, because all applications will first and foremost be web-applications and none of those will be locked into Firefox OS.

So if you ever decide to move on, away from FirefoxOS, you lose nothing. Because all those apps works everywhere else as well.

IMO it's the only revolutionary mobile OS out there right now, it's the only one offering something truly new and unique and it's the only player promoting open web-standards over their own technology and walled gardens.

And for that reasons, I'd really wish it would get more support in the community, instead of these typical HNesque reasons "But it's closed because I can't change browser!" (which I'd like to think of as a Chrome Stockholm sort of effect)

If that is your objection, you've clearly missed the point.

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