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"Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by Filligree »

nsxwolf wrote: post #3
trolley wrote: post #2

Trek doesn't like this guy's tone, therefore he "can't" respond?

The guy didn't sound "uncivil" to me, he just sounded frustrated. If what he reported is accurate, the frustration seems totally understandable.

It's definitely understandable.

I spent about two weeks forcing my way to a functional Ember application, because the framework seemed to have promise.

In the process I needed to bother the developers on IRC, read a nontrivial fraction of the Ember JS code, and implement missing Ember functionality from scratch (KVO-compliant dictionaries).

Ember doesn't work unless you get everything right, and doesn't provide much in the way of diagnostics, so it was one of the harshest learning curves I've ever run into. They really need to work on their tutorials.

It works really well now, though. :X

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by mootothemax »

This is pretty much why I didn't end up using Ember in a new project. After getting the same errors and figuring out the same solutions, I figured I had better things to do with my time.

It's a real shame, but just like developing web apps, you need to make sure users have a good first experience, otherwise they'll run away.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by maligree »

rquantz wrote: post #5
trolley wrote: post #2

Trek doesn't like this guy's tone, therefore he "can't" respond?

Apparently when you need help you're supposed to wait a few hours to cool down before you actually post your question.

Not sure how serious you are, but I hate what you just said. It's like.. YOUR software made me frustrated, don't tell me to just wait it off. The reason I'm talking to you like this is YOUR code. And sure, when it's just raving, that may be right, but the guy genuinely TRIED and went through hoop after hoop.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by niggler »

patejam wrote: post #10
niggler wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(FTR: I think his reaction was deplorable) By din of its presence on the front page of HN he has to say something, but doesn't actually want to engage in what probably would become a massive ember-bashing thread by others who were frustrated with ember, so he acknowledged receipt without giving a formal response.

It's quite simple and sufficient to say something along the lines of "You are right, we are working on this. In the mean time check out some example code here...".

(I fully agree with you and I think the guy's comment was really poor) "You are right" admits that it is not currently easy, and I don't think he wanted to say that outright.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by arkitaip »

nsxwolf wrote: post #3
trolley wrote: post #2

Trek doesn't like this guy's tone, therefore he "can't" respond?

The guy didn't sound "uncivil" to me, he just sounded frustrated. If what he reported is accurate, the frustration seems totally understandable.

He was sarcastic but that's hardly being uncivil. Thing is, his complaint is probably very representative of many beginners so giving the impression that you're ignoring it can have a very negative impact on a project like Ember.js.

Re: "Getting started with Ember.Js is easy." - No it isn't

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Post by __herson__ »

Well, programming is not always easy.

I felt that kind of frustation when I tried for the first time almost every library/programming language that I'd worked with, either with java, backbone, coldfusion, rails...

Trying and researching things is always part of the process, we can't run away from that.

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